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I've wondered that myself. I carry 100% of the time. And I have CCW insurance. But what is going to stop a LEO who just arrived from taking me out right after I take out the shooter?
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Never said shoot him in the back. They were face to face. You guys are way over thinking this.
All I hear is blah blah blah. It’s a freaking terror attack. It’s not a parking lot robbery.
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Your behavior.
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This x1000. A few years ago we had a tragedy in the Denver area-city of Arvada actually-where a young man legally carrying concealed heard gunshots outside a store he was in. He ran outside, confronted the bad actor who had just killed a police officer and shot him. Unfortunately he picked up the bad guy’s ar and a responding officer shot him fatally.
Three families devastated by this. Folks need to really think/train about how to behave in a bad situation,
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Apparently the Good Samaritan was shot by the police. 
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I predicted that "He will be in trouble with his imam."
Yes, Australia does not allow repeating rifles and shotguns (auto or pump).
I think a farmer can - or could - get more gun for rabbit and roo control.
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Could you post a link to the video that shows the bolt action shotgun? Thanks..
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Not true. There 5 classes for firearms there:
Category A (Lowest Restriction) Rimfire rifles, single and double barrel shotguns. Air rifles fall under this category. These are the most accessible firearms for licensed civilians.
Category B (Moderate Restriction) Single shot and repeating centerfire rifles. Lever-action shotguns with a magazine capacity of five rounds and muzzleloading weapons built after 1901.
Category C (Restricted Access) Semi-automatic rimfire rifles with a magazine capacity no greater than 10 rounds, and semi-automatic or pump action shotguns with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 rounds. Only farm workers, clay target shooters, firearms collectors, firearms instructors, firearms safety officers, and primary producers can apply.
Category D (Prohibited for Most Civilians) Self-loading centerfire rifles. Ownership restricted to military, police, and professional vertebrate pest controllers. The Bushmaster AR-15 falls into this category.
Category H (Handguns) Handguns require special licensing. Applicants must complete a six-month probationary period and can only use handguns at approved gun clubs or under supervision.
https://allaboutlawyer.com/what-gun...earms-regulations-and-licensing-requirements/
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I saw it on TV, Jesse Watters I think. It looked like the son was on a set of stairs or on some kind of a raised concrete structure. Almost looked like the gun had an adjustable choke on it. You can clearly see the face but he was moving the gun around.
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We had an incident like that in Golden CO awhile back. Bad guy with a long gun (shotgun I recall) shot someone. Good guy shot him. Good guy walks over to bad guy and picked up the gun. Officer comes around the corner and sees good guy with the long gun. Officer shoots and kills the good guy. Hind sight is a ........well you know.
If you have stopped the threat, put your gun down on the ground and raise your hands and/or prone yourself out. Much will depend on how fast the LEO response is. I have a special set up in my off duty vehicle which includes a traffic vest with POLICE on it. I won't always have it with me so putting your head on a swivel or telling other bystanders what/who you are and what you are doing can help. Sometimes you have to put yourself in the line of fire from a good guy to stop a bad guy. You want a guarantee, buy a TV, you want to CCW, you need to know the risks and be willing to take them.
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Sounds like the Mossberg my father used to own. 16 gauge, bolt action, adjustable choke...Model 190.
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this is when you take a lesson from the Gambler Kenny Rogers, i.e. know when to hold 'um and know when to fold um' ..... weapon and you both down arms out hands open!
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Taking nothing away from the hero, IMO, the hero should have butt stroked the BG. Would have insured the BG didn't get up and present himself as a threat anywhere else.
Missed opportunity.
Missed opportunity.
These hero’s who were likely the first to die as they confronted one of the terrorists. The man wrestled a gun away from the terrorist in a struggle, then the terrorist broke loose, grabbed another gun out of the car and killed husband and wife.
Boris and Sofia Gurman, true heroes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2341yx719o
The war on Israel and the west continues. We had better get serious.
Boris and Sofia Gurman, true heroes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2341yx719o
The war on Israel and the west continues. We had better get serious.
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I wonder...if we say the word 'terrorist' often enough, then bold it, will that change the laws of civilian use of force?
All that ran toward the danger were heros without regard to race, color, creed, or religion.
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I think that was the moment of truth for Ahmed, could he pick up the rifle and shoot it at another person or not. This question applies to all untrained civilians who carry, when the time comes can they pull the trigger or not. I don't second guess or Monday morning QB on what he should have done, the courage he displayed is without question. I do question the actions of trained LE who were initially assigned to the event and who were unprepared to challenge the shooters at once without backup and without regard for their own safety. Any LE present, though admittedly outgunned, will have to carry the guilt of their inaction for the rest of their lives. It took an off-duty Border Patrol Agent who responded on his own time to take action against the Uvalde shooter while others stood by waiting for orders.
I’m not a shotgun guy, and it’s unlikely I’d timely figure out the manual of arms for a random shotgun, so if I’d gotten control of it I’d have elected to club the guy into submission. I have no experience shooting someone.
I don’t know the law in Australia, but I can’t imagine that they would hold him to a standard of reasonable action based on a one-on-one interaction in this situation as some here seem to believe. The guy made himself a target of other terrorists by taking action, the risk to him was ongoing and only slightly diminished by the retreat of the one bad guy. Nobody in their right mind can say that the risk to him had been resolved in the same way that the risk to someone would be resolved if they disarmed a single mugger who was then running away. Moreover, the risk of death to others also remained and justified lethal force. Arguing that the bad guy was disarmed and retreating is pure speculation, and as it turns out he was making a strategic retreat in preparation of a renewed attack.
I don’t know the law in Australia, but I can’t imagine that they would hold him to a standard of reasonable action based on a one-on-one interaction in this situation as some here seem to believe. The guy made himself a target of other terrorists by taking action, the risk to him was ongoing and only slightly diminished by the retreat of the one bad guy. Nobody in their right mind can say that the risk to him had been resolved in the same way that the risk to someone would be resolved if they disarmed a single mugger who was then running away. Moreover, the risk of death to others also remained and justified lethal force. Arguing that the bad guy was disarmed and retreating is pure speculation, and as it turns out he was making a strategic retreat in preparation of a renewed attack.
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Several very brave people that day ! I just read that the gentleman that threw bricks at the retreating murderer was shot & killed by the other murderer on the elevated walkway. God Bless those that were murdered & those that were wounded/injured.
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Perhaps the bullet wounds to Ahmend's hand and shoulder dissuaded him from trying a beat down.
Talk is cheap.
Agreed, talk is cheap. That’s why I framed it as a hypothetical. Maybe I’d have been crapping myself behind a tree.
Thought that he’d gotten shot after taking the shotgun. Seemed like he could have pressed his advantage when he got the shotgun but elected not to for whatever reason. No shame in that, what he did was heroic.
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Not me, brother - since it was a beach, I would have had my hearing aids out, so my most likely reaction would have been, "Whut??".
This^^^^^^^ exactly this^^^^^^^ the disarmed guy was returning to the fight.
Detective Cesar Barraza - Once in a lifetime shot
Cesar "Cess" Barraza is an Australian police officer (Detective Senior Constable, NSW Police), approximately 41–42 years old, based in Bondi, Sydney, with about 16 years of service.He gained worldwide attention for his actions during the terror attack on December 14–15, 2025, at Bondi Beach. Father and son Sajid Akram (50) and Naveed Akram (24) opened fire from a pedestrian bridge on participants in a Jewish community's Hanukkah celebration, killing 15 people (including a child) and injuring dozens. The attack is considered antisemitic and possibly ISIS-inspired (ISIS flags and improvised explosives were found in the attackers' vehicle).Barraza was off-duty or in plain clothes (shirt and tie), rushed to the scene, took cover behind a tree, and fired his service pistol from approximately 40 meters away. His shot is believed to have killed Sajid Akram and possibly wounded Naveed (ballistics ongoing). Many sources describe the shot as a "once-in-a-lifetime shot" due to its difficulty—he is widely praised as a hero who stopped the massacre and saved numerous lives.
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Cesar "Cess" Barraza is an Australian police officer (Detective Senior Constable, NSW Police), approximately 41–42 years old, based in Bondi, Sydney, with about 16 years of service.He gained worldwide attention for his actions during the terror attack on December 14–15, 2025, at Bondi Beach. Father and son Sajid Akram (50) and Naveed Akram (24) opened fire from a pedestrian bridge on participants in a Jewish community's Hanukkah celebration, killing 15 people (including a child) and injuring dozens. The attack is considered antisemitic and possibly ISIS-inspired (ISIS flags and improvised explosives were found in the attackers' vehicle).Barraza was off-duty or in plain clothes (shirt and tie), rushed to the scene, took cover behind a tree, and fired his service pistol from approximately 40 meters away. His shot is believed to have killed Sajid Akram and possibly wounded Naveed (ballistics ongoing). Many sources describe the shot as a "once-in-a-lifetime shot" due to its difficulty—he is widely praised as a hero who stopped the massacre and saved numerous lives.
Background:
- In 2009 (around age 26), he appeared on the Australian reality series Recruits, where he stated he wanted to become a police officer because "I hate crime."
- Member of the NSW Police Pistol Club (skilled shooter).
- Local resident of Bondi.
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