A Post-1950 8 3/8-inch “.357 Magnum” with Pre-War Features (LETTER ARRIVED 03/20/15)

That is definitely a great find! I really like the picture from the rear looking at the sight picture. It looks like the front sight is a hundred miles away.:) I think the "ship to" is a winner too. Too bad the letter did not have more sight information. But, like you said, hopefully at some point you can find that out thru the SWHF paperwork.
 
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Maybe Roy doesn't have an "explanation" but I do...

We see the RM box numbers to the gun so it is most likely original to this gun. It is numbered in the same fashion as the pre war 357s. As for the barrel having the LERK cutout, I believe this to be because there were left over 8 3/8 barrels from the transition models. In the transition 357s, IIRC, the 8 3/8 barrel is the rarest length, or next to the rarest. For the factory to have extra barrels makes sense, because they probably anticipated better sales of the 8 3/8 barrel. In the pre war years, with the RM and the NRM, the 8 3/4 (there was also an 8 3/8 available) barrel was one of the scarcer lengths, and out of the standard lengths (4, 5, 6, 6.5, 8 3/4), it was one of the more rare ones. This makes for a likely surplus of 8 3/4 RM/NRM boxes which were still at the factory in the post war years.

Roy claims that 4286 of the pre 27s were manufactured by the time Kris's revolver shipped. He uses this as a support that the older barrel and older box are out of place. I believe this to be short sighted because despite me believing his claim, this fact is not relevant to the barrel and box for Kris's gun, which are unique to each other. The fact that the factory was pumping out 6in 1950 model 357s says nothing about the sales of the 8 3/8 models. What percentage of the 4286 1950 357s that were made by shipment of this revolver were long barrel guns? I bet a small amount of that 4286. If there was a small amount made by the time of shipment, this would support that the older parts (and boxes) were still being used up. We all know S&W didn't throw away good parts, or boxes.

In conclusion, my opinion is that the box and barrel were both around due to lower than expected sales (for 8 3/8 357s) in both the pre war years and the early post war years. I also believe that by 1951, a small percentage of the total production for 357s was for 8 3/8 357s. Keep in mind that the 8 3/4 in RM boxes would only accompany 8 3/8 post war 357s. The factory would not place a 4in 357 in a long RM box, so the boxes sitting around waiting makes perfect sense. Aside from all of this, the barrel numbers to the gun anyways.

Despite the content of the letter, I still like the gun and I still believe it is all correct.
 
The only problem I have is this forum will only allow me to post 1 "like". OUTSTANDING !! I love seeing the really GREAT stuff in the hands of a worthy protector ! Congrats again, Kris. PS: I have a pre-39 shipped to Jesse Harpe Co. Tampa FL. That I live in Florida, I asked a few of the older collectors down here told me he was a BIG time distributor for S&W. There were winter competitions in Tampa / St. Pete area back in post-war Florida. I never found factual data on this dealer so thank you for that added data.
 
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We are well aware of older parts turning up on guns. Same with older boxes being taken from inventory and used. But clarify something for me. To me it looks like the front sight is flush with the end of the muzzle. Am I correct? If so, that would be the post war style, no? Didn't the pre-war "357s" have the front sight set back slightly (1/8" or so?) from the muzzle? Why would a pre-war barrel have this post-war feature? Or am I incorrect and the sight is set back?

Have you actually measured the barrel to verify it is the correct length? If it's a tad shorter that might suggest they removed a bit from the muzzle to make if flush with the sight base maintaining the post-war appearance. Or is it silly to think they might do that?
 
A little more info on Jesse Harpe.

Bill

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Have you actually measured the barrel to verify it is the correct length? If it's a tad shorter that might suggest they removed a bit from the muzzle to make if flush with the sight base maintaining the post-war appearance. Or is it silly to think they might do that?
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Along the same lines: is is possible an 8 3/8" barrel was made from an 8 3/4? I recall reading somewhere ("Sixguns", maybe?) that the slight reduction in barrel length was needed for some form of target competition. Since there was a Harpe Trophy, could it be that he specified this revolver with that issue in mind? That could explain the flush mounting of the front sight.

Just shooting from the lip ...
 
Wow :eek: You must be pretty talented - I have enough trouble just shooting from the hip...;)

Minimum requirement is 6' tall so the barrel doesn't drag the ground, so I'm good even though I'm not quite 6'3" any more (old age syndrome). Not a gun Barnie Rubble could shoot from the hip !! :)
 
Well, I was going to "like" the original thread, but was afraid of getting crushed in the crowd.

Nice gun!

Don't feel that way. Just jump right in with the rest of us.

When you get as old as most of us, the closest thing we have to that true feeling of Christmas morning and Santa Claus, ( you know ... that childish look and dumbfounded feeling of awe ), is when we either find for ourselves or share in appreciation of another member finding a beauty of a fine / scarce old S&W. I've purchased almost anything I wanted or needed in my life to a point that it was like ... so what ? A new Porsche ... big deal. All the things we craved and worked to accomplish when younger have come to be a reality so, what's next ? To me, it's the stuff that you just don't find every day or can't order one new. Stuff that there were only so many made and that was it.

When we old timers get excited over something to this degree we ARE like children, again, only this time we know how to share in the joy instead of get jealous because we didn't find it ourselves. The feeling is fantastic.
 

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