A quartet of (heavy) .38s

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.38/44s, that is.

I mentioned acquiring a Heavy Duty and an Outdoorsman as part of a batch of six that I had bought, in this thread: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/148856-sextet-38s.html

Forum member GF wanted to see some more of the heavies.

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I think the HD is the sleeper of the bunch, whether or not it's a "keeper".

Feel free to post more pics of the Outdoorsman AND that HD!

GF

I just don't get what the appeal is on these oversized popguns. Sure, back in the day you could get .38/44 high-speed ammo, but the .357 put that load in the shade. Nowadays all you can get is regular .38 and +P, which certainly doesn't need N frame iron to be shootable. The .38 is more suited to the J frame pocket guns or maybe the K frame target Model 14, and I guess the Model 10 makes a good house gun for the little lady. But a three-pound .38? Buncha foolishness.

Nope, just don't get the appeal. But I have four. So far.

So here they are. (Please excuse the smudginess on the right side of some of the pictures - I had something on the lens and didn't realize until later.)

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Outdoorsman, acquired as part of the six-pack buy. It's been refinished and in the closeup you can see it was blued over pitting. Looks like the Patridge front sight has been filed to a serrated ramp (or did they ever come that way?) Grips may be original, I'm not much of an aficionado of the subject. Per my reading of the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, it dates to around 1954.

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This is the Heavy Duty that was part of the six-pack. The finish looks original with a bad case of spotosis on the sideplate. Date on it looks to be 1931, so it's an old feller. The grips look somewhat old, but not 1931 old - would these be so-called ivory micarta? I wouldn't have picked them to put on this gun, but they fit well and I see no reason to replace them.

And what's up with the gold-colored paint in the stampings? Is that for people who are attention whores, but too cheap to get actual gold inlay?


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This is an Outdoorsman that I bought about a year ago, via Gunbroker. It looks all original, except for the addition of the nasty vibro-engraving marks on it. The Gunbroker ad speculated that the markings had to do with the Washington State Department of Corrections system, so it may have an interesting backstory. The right grip panel is signifigantly darker than the left one, as if a sweaty hand had rested on it for long periods (although it doesn't really show up that well in my pictures). Prison guard gun? The date for it is 1956.

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This Heavy Duty is the first .38/44 that I owned. I picked it up at at gun show in Tulsa about two years ago. After making the deal I resisted the urge to run, even though I thought I would hear, "Stop! Thief!" behind me. However after getting it home and looking it over more closely I realized that it just had a pretty decent refinish job, and I had merely gotten it at a fair and just price. Curses, foiled again! It dates from around 1949.


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Nice group you have there. I would definitely get a letter on the one from Washington Dept. of Corrections.

I just received my letters on the three I have, including the one from Austin, Tx. PD.
 
Four great revolvers! Congratulations.

I think your old HD may actually date to late 1930; it could be worth a letter. The gold fill treatment on was some kind of paint on/wipe off treatment that you could get in years past. I think I remember reading that it dissolves out with acetone if you don't like it. There have been threads here about that kind of dressing-up. White was another option, I believe. The faux ivory stocks are kind of nice -- not the first choice I would make for a HD, but I notice they fit the frame pretty well. Prewar manufacture, I would guess.

The front sight on the reblued OD looks more like a modified Baughman ramp than it does a modified Patridge blade. Or maybe there were replacement front sights that looked like that at the outset. I don't know. I guess that blade makes your gun a Semi-Combat Outdoorsman. :)

A really interesting thing about that gun is that it got heavily used (or at least somewhat neglected) before an attempt was made to restore its looks with the refinish. With rare exceptions, most of the Pre-23s I see are in really good shape, as though they were buy-and-stash purchases. It's rare to come across one that looks like it actually served as a working gun (or at least an exposed gun) for part of its life.

Love that transitional HD from 1949. That's a good refinish job. My first HD (also bought about two years ago) was a 1946 HD that shipped pretty close to my first birthday. I think of it as a belated birthday present.
 
Thank you for remembering! Pictures are always appreciated.

The appeal and intrest in these large framed revolvers in a modest caliber is "shootability". Sit down at the bench with several brands of ammo and from a sandbag rest, fire for center and not for effect.

It is a pleasure of finding a revolver - ammo combination that brings out the best in the shooter and gun. The 38spl has always been a target round at heart, and it's like the 44spl round you either love it or wonder why.
The trigger on an old revolver can be a thing of beauty, not replicated in todays revolvers. (Especially a J frame!) Try some LSWC in 158gr in your wonderful N frames and see what they can do for your ego when you tear the center outta' the target!

You have examples of some of the finest sixguns ever offered by S&W. A light recoiling 38 in a large frame... you ask why and I say why not!

Thank you again for the post Tom K! Good pics of good shooter Smiths.

GF
 
I love any vintage N frame.

Those are a fine group and every one is a shooter.
My kind of collection.

Your pictures are really well done and reveal the subtle
aspects of condition and history.

All in all a great post. Thank You.

;)
 
"I just don't get what the appeal is on these oversized popguns."

If you really don't understand, post them in the for sale section and turn them into something that does appeal to you.

Dave
 
"I just don't get what the appeal is on these oversized popguns."

If you really don't understand, post them in the for sale section and turn them into something that does appeal to you.

Dave

What kind of chump do you take me for? [First class!] You just want me to put them in the For Sale section so that you can get 'em yourself.

Don't get me wrong, they do appeal to me. It just seems silly that they should. But that is true of so many things, and when you boil it down to basics all you can really say to explain is, "I like it." The rest of it is usually just rationalization.
 
Love Em! They do grow on you. I have one HD and crave more. I haven't even shot mine yet but plan to this weekend.

Tom
 
What kind of chump do you take me for? [First class!] You just want me to put them in the For Sale section so that you can get 'em yourself.

Don't get me wrong, they do appeal to me. It just seems silly that they should. But that is true of so many things, and when you boil it down to basics all you can really say to explain is, "I like it." The rest of it is usually just rationalization.

You're the one who called them "popguns". Now you're pissed at me and accuse me of something self serving? I have a couple 38/44s and sure as (expletive deleted) don't need yours. Sorry to have participated in your thread.

Dave
 
You're the one who called them "popguns". Now you're pissed at me and accuse me of something self serving? I have a couple 38/44s and sure as (expletive deleted) don't need yours. Sorry to have participated in your thread.

Dave

*sigh*. I'm sorry Dave, I didn't intend any insult at all. I guess my tongue-in-cheek prose isn't as good as I think it is. I don't much care for using the smiley emoticons, but I'll repeat my posts using them. See if it comes across less snotty, and more silly:

"I just don't get what the appeal is on these oversized popguns. ;) Sure, back in the day you could get .38/44 high-speed ammo, but the .357 put that load in the shade. Nowadays all you can get is regular .38 and +P, which certainly doesn't need N frame iron to be shootable. The .38 is more suited to the J frame pocket guns or maybe the K frame target Model 14, and I guess the Model 10 makes a good house gun for the little lady. But a three-pound .38? Buncha foolishness. :rolleyes:

Nope, just don't get the appeal. But I have four. So far. :D"


If you really don't understand, post them in the for sale section and turn them into something that does appeal to you.

"What kind of chump do you take me for? [First class! :p] You just want me to put them in the For Sale section so that you can get 'em yourself. ;)

Don't get me wrong, they do appeal to me. It just seems silly that they should. But that is true of so many things, and when you boil it down to basics all you can really say to explain is, "I like it." :) The rest of it is usually just rationalization."


I hope this makes my intent more clear Dave. I do like the .38/44s although logically, an N frame .357 can do anything they can do. But what's logic got to do with it?
 
Very nice collection. I have two, a 4 inch and a 5 inch.

Logic goes out the window when "the eye of the beholder" goes in.

The N-Frame .38 Specials can be replaced easily by any "newer" S&W .357 magnum or K-Frame .38.

I personally think the Outdoorsman models are very easily replaced by an N-Frame .357, and much cheaper.

However there is the history and the panache attached to owning a Heavy Duty or an Outdoorsman. And the beauty of the design.

If the N-Frame .38s are loaded to true .38-44 levels, in the 158 grain loadings, then they can come close to any normal .357 load. And I suspect the N-Frame .38 Specials could actually be loaded to .357 levels anyhow, although I do not do that.

As far as the 4 inch goes, I think the only "competitor" for that is the M520, M581, or M681 [did I miss any others?]. A fixed sight, powerful .38 [be it .38 or .357] is a handy combination. And the M520's might be the best but they are usually pricey.

I really like my 4 inch Heavy Duty, the balance and no frills appeal is excellent.
 
I, too, really enjoy th' "heavy" .38's...my 38/44, Colt New Service and a Colt SAA. To me, they're simply a joy to shoot...and, yeah, I sorta "grew up" with the "K" frame ( and still shoot them regularly) but to me there's just nothin' quite like a "big" .38...

Hope you get the opportunity to shoot yours on a regular basis.
 
I do like the .38/44s although logically, an N frame .357 can do anything they can do.

Except be a 38/44 Heavy Duty. ;)

I've gotten my first two 38/44s in the last two weeks and I have a 27 and a 28. And even though all four are N-Frames, the 38/44s feel different to me. They feel trimmer and lighter, and they are. My 4" 28 weighs 44.4 oz and my 5" 38/44 weighs 40.6 oz. Bottom line: The 38/44 Heavy Duty is the only N-Frame I've ever held that has the feel and pointability of K-Frame.
 
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