'Accidental Felonies' in Background Check Bill?

[brokenprism]

Pelosi famously said she had to pass Obamacare to know what was in it, and I couldn't find the text of the BC bill for a long time. Now I'm reading that it's loaded with land mines -- leaving your home for 8 days without first doing a background on your wife and kids and coming home a felon because you had illegally 'transferred' the guns to them by your absence. Is this true? Hand your buddy a gun on your property and you've 'transferred' it without a background check?

We already have background checks for FFL transfers -- I can't buy a gun from anywhere without one -- so if there was no way of getting past this without eating SOME dirt, I wouldn't mind too much if they simply extended the current system to all sales, but with the 'universal' checks they're proposing, they appear to have loaded the bill with opportunties for the law abiding to innocently become the law breaking. Who knows something about this?

 

[Nframecollector]

Another "common sense" idea is registration! After that comes confiscation.

 

[brokenprism]

BTW, I asked the question -- and it was a question -- because I'm looking for answers. Does anybody know if this is a correct read on the provisions of the bill? If it is, we should be writing to ask that they be removed and not just writing to reist the bill, because I think they're going to shove something through. Better it be benign than not.

 

[Aticus]

Guys, take a look at Senate bill S 649. You might find it interesting.

 

[silentflyer]

If I can be reamed/steamed and dry cleaned to get a CCW permit, checked out by the local police department, who looks for any problems, takes a photo of me along with the form for the CCW, the safety class, then sends the paper work to the clerk of court who review's it and then sends it to the judge, who grants the permit. So why do I have to fill out a BC form? I have done so dozens of times before to prove I am not a bad guy. Besides as it stands now they don't do anything to the people who lie on the BC form anyway! Any logic in any of this?

 

[VMaxSplat]

Any logic in any of this?

Certainly. The idea is to make legal gun ownership as much a pain in the *** as possible. The marxists don't want to do a thing about mass shootings. In fact, they want more of them to push their agenda.

 

[Diablo982]

If I can be reamed/steamed and dry cleaned to get a CCW permit, checked out by the local police department, who looks for any problems, takes a photo of me along with the form for the CCW, the safety class, then sends the paper work to the clerk of court who review's it and then sends it to the judge, who grants the permit. So why do I have to fill out a BC form? I have done so dozens of times before to prove I am not a bad guy. Besides as it stands now they don't do anything to the people who lie on the BC form anyway! Any logic in any of this?

From what I've read of the bill, under certain circumstances the BC could be waived for CCW holders. It sounded like the state's CCW background check needed to meet a certain standard (i.e. fingerprints, criminal history check), then you still need to go to an FFL. The FFL can skip the BC after reviewing your permit. That option cannot circumvent any existing state laws that make background checks mandatory. That was my interpretation of the paragraph, but I could be way off. Another thing I noticed: My wife who has a handgun carry permit could buy without the background check, but as an LEO I cannot. There was no listed exemption for law enforcement, just permit holders.

 

[Nico Testosteros]

The text of the proposed bill is posted over at the High Road along with a discussion of what itall means.

 

[quneur]

If they pass UBC legislation, I would include these provisions:

1. Have an oversight committee representing the gun industry and owners audit the NCIS system and its destruction of data to make sure it is not clandestinely being copied somewhere.

2. The 4473 FFL records are encrypted with the key on a separate disc/drive or location (safe deposit box or perhaps state controlled). The only way to retrieve the records would be by warrant and then only a single record may be retrieved.

3. All concealed license holders should be able to buy firearms across state lines.

These, of course, will never happen. I don't see the ATF or FBI giving up so much control. Perhaps, if they pass it, I'll get a FFL and charge $7.99 special for every private transaction. LGS have better things to do than getting bogged down with private transactions. When given a lemon make lemonade. J/K

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Whatever we see right now are simply proposals, some good, some bad (depending on your point of view). The key to watching the debates, starting this week and going on until ?, are "amendments". Some of these will find support on both sides, some will be "controversial", a few will be "deal breakers". The coming weeks will set the tone for years to come because after this congress will move on to the budget and immigration. We'll end up with something, but the future battles will be fought in individual states as congress moves away from the "gun control" issue.