Accidental mix

[Sebring Pop]

Hi guys !!
I have a 5 pound can of 700 X with approximately 3 pounds in it. I just finish reloading with my Mec 600 jr which had about a half Canister of blue dot in it about one quarter of a pound. Then I accidentally put it in the 5 pound can of 700 X. if I mix it thoroughly will I be okay or did I ruin the powder and have to throw it away?

Thanks Pop


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[OKFC05]

In the absence of a full pressure test lab to make load tables from scratch for your about 90-10 mix, I'd say----fertilizer.

 

[Murphy's Law]

You really have "NO" options but to spread the mix in your flower garden. Think positive, at least you caught your mistake before anything serious happened. Don't feel bad however, I've done something similar myself long ago in my early stages of reloading.

 

[4barrel]

Where is your nerve? 4 grains in a 45acp or 3grains in a 38 special will be a good test. The blue dot will be like putting headers on a 57 Chevrolet. I will buy it. I have a Freedom Arms to test with. I also own a canon. Also a 500 S&W rifle. Also a 45x70. That seems a lot safer than the 24000 pounds of live 105 howitzers I hauled in the 60s or hill climbing on dirt bikes & race cars & all the other crazy stuff in the 70s.

 

[venomballistics]

it's a waste product now.

 

[NYlakesider]

Hi guys !!
I have a 5 pound can of 700 X with approximately 3 pounds in it. I just finish reloading with my Mec 600 jr which had about a half Canister of blue dot in it about one quarter of a pound. Then I accidentally put it in the 5 pound can of 700 X. if I mix it thoroughly will I be okay or did I ruin the powder and have to throw it away?

Thanks Pop


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Wow I doubt you could even get myth busters to want to shoot that mixture.

 

[mikld]

As stated above, without pressure testing equipment attempts at using your "blended" powder would be foolish. I'm definitely not a "Chicken Little" thinker and I do have nerve (cajonies), but I also have common sense. Write it off as a learning experience, powder is still available (somewhat) and it can be replaced...

 

[S&WIowegan]

I would NOT use a mix of the two but surely you can cycle your powder measure and drop most of the BD into a container. Then pour most of the 700x out the top and minimize your throwaway. Don't take unnecessary risk but don't just throw it all away.

Best of luck,

 

[fyimo]

I somehow don't think the cost of the blended powder is worth a gun blow up and potential injury to the shooter. Chalk it up as a mistake and spread it on your flower bed.

 

[venomballistics]

I would NOT use a mix of the two but surely you can cycle your powder measure and drop most of the BD into a container. Then pour most of the 700x out the top and minimize your throwaway. Don't take unnecessary risk but don't just throw it all away.

Best of luck,

if it were in the measure ...
nope .. its in his jug of 700X where there's no good way to deal with it without it getting mixed.

 

[Nevada Ed]

Golden rule #1..........

Only have ONE can of powder open at all times.

Now you know why.................

 

[hanno]

Toss it.

I only ever load one caliber at a time so only have the powder in actual use in the reloading area. The other powder jugs are stored in a separate room and only brought to the reloading area when used.

Only one powder jug ever in the reloading area. That rule has worked for me and is idiot proof.

 

[Bkreutz]

Toss it. I load 9mm Major PF so I'm not a timid handloader but I would never use a mixed load of powder for anything except fertilizer (or maybe pyrotechnics)

 

[fredj338]

If it were SHTF, adding slower powder to faster powder isn't as bad as the other route. Not worth the potential risk for a few $$ though.

 

[Shooter Magaven]

I dont mean to hi-jack your thread Pop, but this brings up a lingering question ive had,
Are there any " published" or known safe powder blend recipes out there?

Or is it just "dont do it, ever, period" ?

 

[venomballistics]

I dont mean to hi-jack your thread Pop, but this brings up a lingering question ive had,
Are there any " published" or known safe powder blend recipes out there?

Or is it just "dont do it, ever, period" ?

it's been referred to in history ... even has a name. "Duplex load"
the blends have always been kept tight to the chest.
Even in the days when Elmer Kieth did it, he knew full well that publishing the specifics would lead to lemon heads blowing guns due to not following instructions to the letter.
Much bad ju ju to be had.
it's best to stick with good ju ju .. in sealed containers ... from reputable dealers

 

[Doubless]

Once again, I am about to become the outlier...

Looking at this powder burn rate chart: Powder Burn Rate Comparison Chart @ www.reloadersnest.com

I see 700X at number 43, and Blue Dot well into the 90s... MUCH slower powder. Now, before I go any further, I will state that burn rates are very much a relative thing, and change based on cartridge application. I get all that.

But based on what I see in the chart, I would mix the heck out of the two powders (and I mean shake the entire canister for about five minutes, lay it down, go back to it later and do it again), then use 700X load data and work up. You are talking about ~4 oz of Blue Dot in 48 oz of 700X. With Blue Dot being a fairly slow powder (relatively speaking), how can you possibly expect an overpressure situation IF you stay with the 700X data?

The one other caveat that has to be considered is how faithfully the powder measures: if it consistently varies by more than a couple of tenths, then I agree: fertilizer it is. Otherwise, be extremely cautious, use your head, and work up.

 

[Culina]

throw it out or separate them with tweezers.

 

[Shooter Magaven]

it's been referred to in history ... even has a name. "Duplex load"
the blends have always been kept tight to the chest.
Even in the days when Elmer Kieth did it, he knew full well that publishing the specifics would lead to lemon heads blowing guns due to not following instructions to the letter.
Much bad ju ju to be had.
it's best to stick with good ju ju .. in sealed containers ... from reputable dealers

Thanks, Venom
I know all about the bad ju ju. The NO Saints know all about it too.

 

[NYlakesider]

I dont mean to hi-jack your thread Pop, but this brings up a lingering question ive had,
Are there any " published" or known safe powder blend recipes out there?

Or is it just "dont do it, ever, period" ?

Really racking my brain here but if I remember correctly when the 454 Casuell first came out it was loaded with a Triplex load.

After I wrote the above I found this in Wiki!

"The cartridges were originally loaded with a triplex load of propellants, which gave progressive burning, aided by the rifle primer ignition, resulting in a progressive acceleration of the bullet as it passed through the barrel. The first commercially available revolver chambered in .454 Casuell was made by Freedom Arms n 1983 as a five-shot revolver."