LVSteve
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Ματθιας;142162367 said:
Maybe the next of kin were incommunicado somewhere else in the world. Not everybody is a slave to a news feed. I'm one of them.
American Airlines Jet Midair Crash Into Blackhawk
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Maybe the next of kin were incommunicado somewhere else in the world. Not everybody is a slave to a news feed. I'm one of them.
Here are some facts about Rebecca M. Lobach:
With 500 hours, is that enough to be a "command pilot"?
She was White House Military Social Aide, yet her social media is nonexistent.
How does one be a White House Military Social Aide in the last Admin., with no social media footprint. It's like all social media was scrubbed. Hmmmm.
Yeah, call me a conspiracy theorist, I don't care. We have an excellent track record of being proven right.
With 500 hours, is that enough to be a "command pilot"?
She was White House Military Social Aide, yet her social media is nonexistent.
How does one be a White House Military Social Aide in the last Admin., with no social media footprint. It's like all social media was scrubbed. Hmmmm.
Yeah, call me a conspiracy theorist, I don't care. We have an excellent track record of being proven right.
^^^^That precise, defamatory, ghoulish nonsense before the investigation is even preliminarily complete explains to me why her family did not want her name released.
Conspiracy ghouls first decided to name Jo Ellis, a National Guard pilot who is transgender, as the captain of the crashed military helicopter in thousands of social media posts.
"Lobach was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal and Army Service Ribbon, according to the service." Final Soldier Killed in Black Hawk Collision Identified as Family, Friends Grieve | Military.com Army standards on helo captains - 500 hours is high. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA350138.pdf
Conspiracy ghouls first decided to name Jo Ellis, a National Guard pilot who is transgender, as the captain of the crashed military helicopter in thousands of social media posts.
"Lobach was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal and Army Service Ribbon, according to the service." Final Soldier Killed in Black Hawk Collision Identified as Family, Friends Grieve | Military.com Army standards on helo captains - 500 hours is high. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA350138.pdf
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LVSteve
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Ματθιας;142163149 said:
You are surprised that somebody doesn't have a social media presence when they are in the military and likely has a seriously high clearance level to work in the White House?? Really?? Are you serious??
I've worked with defense contractors who after they reached a certain clearance level shut down all their social media. It became a major headache to keep track of who contacted them to the satisfaction of the security apparatus. One of them had a large extended family who she didn't really know in a Latin American country. Every so often a new one would pop up on social media and include her in some chat or other and she would have to report it. Interviews with security went like this.
Security hood (SH): "So this 2nd cousin Jose who recently said 'hi, I'm now on Facebook' . What's his last name, what's his date of birth, where does he live, and what does he do for a living?"
My friend (MF): "Well, he's profile says he lives in _________ , and I have no clue about the other stuff."
SH, looking miffed: "Oh really? Why don't you know any of those answers?"
MF: "Well, he just said hi and that we're both related to a great aunt Maria, who I've never met. Mom thinks she recalls Maria from way back but only met her once, and the family is huge, so I how am I supposed to know them all?"
SH, with their special disapproving look: "Well, that's not really cutting it. We need to know more about him?"
MF: "Well, I can ask my mom..."
SH: "Noooo! You can't go asking otherwise people will ask why."
After 18 months of that ****, she closed her Facebook account.
The position seems similar to an aide de camp for visiting dignitaries.Ματθιας;142163149 said:
Ματθιας;142163149 said:
It's pretty obvious. "social aide" and "social media aide" are two very different job descriptions.
You are surprised that somebody doesn't have a social media presence when they are in the military and likely has a seriously high clearance level to work in the White House?? Really?? Are you serious??
I've worked with defense contractors who after they reached a certain clearance level shut down all their social media. It became a major headache to keep track of who contacted them to the satisfaction of the security apparatus.
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I've never ever had FB, TikTok, Instagram, or even YouTube accounts for this precise reason. Social media and clearances don't mix well.
Differently, if you have a close relative die unexpectedly for any reason (particularly crime or COVID), blocking/deleting their social media can save survivors a LOT of grief from bored incel conspiracy theorists.
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I spent my career living and working in Japan for a US aerospace firm/defense contractor selling high tech stuff to the Japanese. Export control was a big deal. Sometimes we'd get extra zealous export control people. I was once addressed on an email from export control, along with several dozen US-based colleagues, advising us that we were required to report to export control all contacts we had with foreign nationals.
That one gave me a good laugh!
That one gave me a good laugh!
I don't have any of that stuff either. One time I had a Facebook account at the urging of the extended family and somebody hacked it to spread a virus. I deleted it and that was the end of that. So now I'm the Luddite family member that has to be texted, emailed or called on the telephone.
Doug M.
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Most folks have too much social media presence. If one is in LE, prosecution, the military, and a lot of other fields, the sound answer generally is to have no such presence, or if really critical for some family reason, to keep it locked down as possible. Personal security is critical; oversharing is clownshoes.
I suspect that we will find that this was a tragic accident based on poor communication. I also suspect that objective info is 6 months out.
I suspect that we will find that this was a tragic accident based on poor communication. I also suspect that objective info is 6 months out.
tripledipper
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The young lady was involved with the prior Administration, was pictured at an award ceremony by the former POTUS, and was involved in a plan to rescue high level cabinet members or military staff in case the need to evacuate the WH or Cabinet officials. She and the helo crew were practicing that mission. I am sure a lot of ex-WH officials and Army folks who had interacted with her are grieving for her as well. I don't believe in speaking ill of the dead or casting blame for the tragedy, God rest her soul.
DWalt
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Under the expectation that the helicopter pilot or crew is determined to have been culpable, who will make restitution to the surviving families of the deceased?
This accident could have been caused by a variety of things. With absolutely no background investigating aviation accidents, off the top of my head here are some things I think the NTSB will have to look at and rule out in order to determine the cause...
* Chemical impairment by crew members or air traffic controllers (ATC)...
* Medical incapacitation of a crew member or ATC...
* A crew member committing suicide...
* A deliberate act by ATC...
* Instrument malfunction in either aircraft or the control tower...
* Control malfunction in either aircraft...
* Weather...
* Some sort of visual impairment or field of vision issue...
* Distracted flying by one or more crew members...
* Some interference from the ground that caused either or both aircraft to be out of position...
* And yes, poor communication by one or more crew members or ATC...
The ONLY thing that is known for sure is that one or both of these aircraft were where they shouldn't have been. Anything and everything else anybody says at this point is nothing more than speculation.
The "prior administration" has little to no bearing on the duties of any serviceman during that timeframe. The mission would have been the same regardless of whom needed to evacuated from the White House. I'm getting a little tired of the implications by some of where her loyalties may or may not had lain. I think she did her duties as assigned. To think otherwise shows great ignorance of military assignments, regardless of what administration is in office.
This needed to be said...thank you.
I'm reminded of the Secret Service line: "We don't elect 'em, we just protect 'em..."
tripledipper
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Sorry, I was just listing some past info, didn't mean to suggest a partisan affiliation, and yes, she worked on an assignment set by the Army and the mission is apolitical.
Ref: the last PDF file.
Since I read the entire paper I thought I would add this. The thesis, written by a Navy college student (math/computer wizz) is about maintenance scheduling software and not about pilot proficiency. CAPTAIN is a rank, not a crew position. The CW2 was the Instructor Pilot (IP) and therefore was the aircraft commander, regardless of the rank of the other pilot. "Army standards on helo captains - 500 hours is high." False. Army aviators get 206 hours in flight school before they even pin on their wings, when they really learn to fly. The number above is from my flight records and is probably different now. The captain's official title suggests she was NOT in an actual flying slot so she may have been getting minimum flying hours so she could receive flight pay, but I couldn't say for sure. Lastly, it was reported (and we all know how that goes) night vision goggles were involved. If that turns out to be true, it was a stupid thing to do. That environment is NOT conducive to flying with NVG's. I know a little bit on the subject, as I'm an NVG IP in 3 different helicopters, including the UH-60, with over 500 hours of NVG flight time.
One other thing, and I've heard/read it hundreds of times. IP failed to take timely corrective action. The IP is the individual in charge of every aspect of any flight he is logging IP time on. That's not to say he caused the accident, but he is responsible, even for the actions of the rated student pilot in the other seat. Hopefully the US Army Aviation Safety Center is fully transparent in their report.
Thank you - I was wrong. The right information is always best.
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