AMMO SHORTAGE - REALLY? Noooooooooooo (DUH!)

[PaPow]

Not sure how many of you caught this story.

Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021
American Rifleman | Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021

Hopefully people will start to realize there is alot of lies being told.

And the CEO says this????
"We currently have over a year's worth of orders for ammunition in excess of $1 billion," he said in his opening remarks.

All the people that are without jobs, this guy cant put people to work to catch up the orders?
He`s lucky i`m not his boss, he`d be on the unemployment line for his stupid statement.

They aren`t going to catch these orders up, this BS is being done on purpose.
What we need are PATRIOTS building ammo plants, powder and primer facilities!

Then all the fat an lazy CEO`s can feak out when other companies form and steal their profit glory.

 

[rh73]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgvoJKovIg&ab_channel=federalpremiumammo[/ame]

 

[max]

You can't build a new factory overnight and you can't make more than your factory is capable of making if running 24 hrs per day. Most businesses have experienced people missing. There are also shortages in certain key materials needed.

 

[BC38]

Yeah, like I posted in another thread...

Using the example in the video above: 7 million new gun owners in the last 9 months, if each bought just 2 boxes (100 rounds) that is 700 million rounds of ammo in 9 months. Just to keep up with that demand would require producing nearly 2.6 MILLION rounds per day 7 days a week. Running 24 hours per day that would be over 108 THOUSAND rounds per hour, 24 hours per day, 7 days a week, with no down time for maintenance or anything else. And that is just PRODUCTION. It doesn't take int account the problems of getting the raw materials in, packaging the product, OR getting it out of the factory and distributed to the stores.

And that would be just for the new shooters. That wouldn't even include trying to supply ammo to the other 100 million of us established shooters too. It also wouldn't do anything to address any of the panic buying that has been going on either.

All of the things that lead to this problem have taken place in the last 9 months and there was no way anyone could have foreseen it or expected it. So nobody was prepared for it. As others have pointed out you can't even build a factory and equip it and hire/train all the employees, and then get the operation up and producing ammo in that amount of time.

Just suppose that they could though. Suppose they spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build a bunch of new factories and start producing ammo. Once production catches up to demand and the shelves are all stocked again, then what? Anybody who believes the current level of demand is going to last long term is delusional.

So after spending hundreds of millions or even a few billion dollars to ramp up production capacity, 6 months from now demand drops off and 9mm is going for 16 or 17 cents a round again, just like it was this time last year. Then what? How do they make back all that money they sunk into increased production?

The answer is THEY DON'T - at least not in a reasonable time frame. Maybe they make the money back and pay off the investment over a period of 5 or 10 years. That is IF they are lucky and don't go bankrupt trying to keep up with the payments as they are paying it off. What would the shareholders think and feel about that? Think the CEO who made that huge investment into increasing production would be around long?

People need to stop with the conspiracy stuff and take a realistic look at how business works. It is at times like this that I see why it is so easy for the socialists to sell the idea to all of our young people that THEY can "give" everyone everything they want and need for FREE. If they don't understand the fundamentals of economics or business or production, it is easy to sell bovine-feces ideas and conspiracy "stuff" to people.

 

[fredj338]

Not sure how many of you caught this story.

Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021
American Rifleman | Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021

Hopefully people will start to realize there is alot of lies being told.

And the CEO says this????
"We currently have over a year's worth of orders for ammunition in excess of $1 billion," he said in his opening remarks.

All the people that are without jobs, this guy cant put people to work to catch up the orders?
He`s lucky i`m not his boss, he`d be on the unemployment line for his stupid statement.

They aren`t going to catch these orders up, this BS is being done on purpose.
What we need are PATRIOTS building ammo plants, powder and primer facilities!

Then all the fat an lazy CEO`s can feak out when other companies form and steal their profit glory.

You would need more equip to put more people to work. Not gonna happen for a cyclical event like what is going on now. As long as local govt & soon to be federal govt being incompetent & not protecting its citizens, guns & ammo will continue to be in high demand. Yes, I can easily see this time next year until things settle down. Now you can take the alum foil hat off.

 

[Just another 22 shooter]

Its easy for someone not close to manufacturing to say "just hire more people". As a guy whose getting ready to retire out of manufacturing, semi skilled workers for manufacturing are in short supply. Whether short of skills or short of ambition, right now it is hard to find people willing to learn and put in 50 to 60 hours a week on a factory floor to make a living.

 

[fordson]

There are several issues that effects production capacity. Labor is one, a significant one, but only one. Equipment , tooling and production space are others as well as training for the labor that will use the equipment and tooling in the production space to produce the product. Most companies plan their production capacity based on annual and/or seasonal demand. Materials used to produce the product are typically not warehoused, as that cost money, but are designed to deliver JIT (just in time). That is all materials are delivered in time when needed using MRP or Materials Resource Planning theory and technique. This synchronizes materials arrival with labor, equipment and production space availability, thereby reducing cost of storage and optimizes existing production space and capacity. All that, with a little Lean Six Sigma thrown in, allows you to buy a box of 9mm or 38 SPL for less then $15.00 a box. If you want companies to have excess capacity waiting in the wings, then you'll have to pay for it with much high ammo prices.

 

[Sistema1927]

All the people that are without jobs, this guy cant put people to work to catch up the orders?
He`s lucky i`m not his boss, he`d be on the unemployment line for his stupid statement.

They aren`t going to catch these orders up, this BS is being done on purpose.
What we need are PATRIOTS building ammo plants, powder and primer facilities!

Then all the fat an lazy CEO`s can feak out when other companies form and steal their profit glory.

You want shoddy ammo that is made by unskilled labor in hastily erected plants?

 

[Rammer Jammer]

Mr. Vanderbrink was speaking directly to folks like you. Take your tinfoil hat off and just Google supply and demand.

Not sure how many of you caught this story.

Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021
American Rifleman | Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021

Hopefully people will start to realize there is alot of lies being told.

And the CEO says this????
"We currently have over a year's worth of orders for ammunition in excess of $1 billion," he said in his opening remarks.

All the people that are without jobs, this guy cant put people to work to catch up the orders?
He`s lucky i`m not his boss, he`d be on the unemployment line for his stupid statement.

They aren`t going to catch these orders up, this BS is being done on purpose.
What we need are PATRIOTS building ammo plants, powder and primer facilities!

Then all the fat an lazy CEO`s can feak out when other companies form and steal their profit glory.

 

[505Gibbs]

Presuming you have the people, the equipment and the raw materials you don't just snap your fingers and get more output.
A naïve post if you think they're slacking on output JUST to drive up price.

 

[Spajohn]

Assuming that you already have your own, you might want to protect your cat also.

 

[mikld]

Pogo; "We have met the enemy, and they is us". When a guy thinks "I gotta get mine first", and runs out and buys 10 times what he would normally use in a year, or the guy that normally buys ammo 3 days before he leaves for his annual hunting trip and buys 5 times more than usual or the guy that normally uses 1,000 primers per year and rushes out and buys 3 cases, these are the reason factories can't keep up. I think that the "factories hiding ammo in warehouses", "factories won't hire", or "factories stopped selling components" are just internet, rumor BS...

 

[NJM15]

Some kid of ----

my gut feeling leads me to believe there is some kind of a conspiracy orchestrated by the government. Now I cant prove it but with all the happenings taking place with gun control and all it may be true.

 

[NJM15]

Agree but----

Pogo; "We have met the enemy, and they is us". When a guy thinks "I gotta get mine first", and runs out and buys 10 times what he would normally use in a year, or the guy that normally buys ammo 3 days before he leaves for his annual hunting trip and buys 5 times more than usual or the guy that normally uses 1,000 primers per year and rushes out and buys 3 cases, these are the reason factories can't keep up. I think that the "factories hiding ammo in warehouses", "factories won't hire", or "factories stopped selling components" are just internet, rumor BS...

I agree but where are they buying it has to be available in order to hoard it

 

[NJM15]

Check Canada

went on bass pro Canadian website everything is available ammo , bullets, primers, brass any size, type and kind most all made in America. so tell me now what the problem is
Bye the way not shipped to the usa.

 

[BC38]

went on bass pro Canadian website everything is available ammo , bullets, primers, brass any size, type and kind most all made in America. so tell me now what the problem is
Bye the way not shipped to the usa.

That one isn't too hard to understand. They still have stock because they don't ship orders to the US and they don't have 7 million new gun owners buying up all the available stock.

Emptying or refilling the distribution channels takes a while. They don't send trucks loaded with ammo directly to each store. Big retail chains and distributors place bulk orders months in advance and warehouse the product for distribution to the retail outlets. Right now they are still selling existing stock, but since those stocks aren't being replaced, they may well experience some shortages in the near future too - even though they aren't panic buying.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

We is buying Ammo and components faster than they can make them.
The Canadians aren't having the post election Trauma we are experiencing.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Deleted double post, sorry.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Not sure how many of you caught this story.

Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021
American Rifleman | Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021

Hopefully people will start to realize there is alot of lies being told.

And the CEO says this????
"We currently have over a year's worth of orders for ammunition in excess of $1 billion," he said in his opening remarks.

All the people that are without jobs, this guy cant put people to work to catch up the orders?
He`s lucky i`m not his boss, he`d be on the unemployment line for his stupid statement.

They aren`t going to catch these orders up, this BS is being done on purpose.
What we need are PATRIOTS building ammo plants, powder and primer facilities!

Then all the fat an lazy CEO`s can feak out when other companies form and steal their profit glory.

Some of us have been through a few of these "shortages". You can rant all you want to about no ammo on the shelves but a prudent person would have a supply on hand to get them through several years of high demand or have enough components to load for several years until things got back to normal. I didn't see any shortages in the last few years and the prices were pretty low. So yeah, blame the ammo manufacturers for your problems when the reality is those companies are in business to make a profit and not sabotage their bottom line by building new plants they will have to close and hiring people they will have to lay off when the market gets back to normal. These "shortages" are created by us, the shooting public when unusual events take place and everyone panics. You would think we would learn but evidently many people want the just-in-time supply chain to work 100% of the time. Those are the people who will forever be disappointed.

 

[Jon651]

We is buying Ammo and components faster than they can make them.
The Canadians aren't having the post election Trauma we are experiencing.

Plus our problems started long before the election. The pandemic and social unrest are just as responsible. I don't know what the demographic breakdown is, but I'd put money that half of the new gun buyers voted for each side of the ticket - and I can't see Democrats going out and buying guns just because their guy won!

All I'm saying is that there is more than one reason why we are in the bind we are in. And just like the kid who swallowed the coin - this too shall pass!