Ammo... Where to learn the basics

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Yup. Buy in bulk on line.

Here's the link to AMMOMAN.com

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Their prices are DELIVERED. Get on their mailing list for the best deals.

I use them frequently.

Drew

Drew was kind enough to share this info with me on another thread. Rather than hijack the thread I thought it best to start another one more on the subject matter.

Can someone either point me in the right direction so that I can try to read up on the differences in ammo types or give me a quick primer here?

I know familiar with FMJ and hollow points and our CC instructor briefly covered the +, +P deal. I'm assuming that the more grains of powder the faster the projectile, but...

Sorry to be a bother, but I really want to know this stuff and am anxious to learn.
 
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I'll try to help.

First, I suppose you are talking about handloaded, or reloaded ammunition that an individual can fabricate in the home, as opposed to factory loaded rounds.

The number of grains of powder in a particular load determines the pressure, which in turn influences the velocity of the round. Bullet weight, the condition of the barrel, ambient temperature and the phase of the moon are a few of the others. In factory rounds, you have little to no control over the bullet, powder charge and primer used. In handloading, this is all at you discretion.

I learned most of the little that I know from friends and several of the Gun Digest books on handloading.

In factory rounds, full metal jacket (FMJ) or 'ball' rounds are usually used for practice. Any of the huge variety of hollowpoints are what is often used for defense. Not all ammo is created equal, even from the same manufacturer on the same assembly line on the same day.

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First, you'll need to make a final decision on caliber. Then it's a matter of hitting the web and looking at the listings from the Majors. Winchester, Federal, and Speer all have web sites that list the ballistics of the various loads they offer in their catalog.

However, you need to understand that what is in the catalog isn't always available on the market. Your final choice will mainly come down to what you can actually find, either locally or on the Net. BTW, if you dig into Ammoman's sight you'll see what I mean, currently he is only listing 2 choices in the 40 caliber. As for why, most of the Defense loads available to distributors are actually overruns of orders placed by large Police Departments. Personally, I really like the Speer Lawman for range practice because it's offered in matching power levels to their hollowpoints and I've found it to be extremely clean shooting and accurate. Bad news is that the Speer Lawman can be difficult to find, I've spent 6 months scouring the net for the 125 grain 38 spl. TMJ with zero luck. Odds are I'll only find it after a city like New York or LA places another order and the excess ends up available again.

Since your looking at a semi auto, your Defense choice will likely be a jacketed hollowpoint of some description. I would advise that you limit your choice of practice ammo to a similar JACKETED solid point. I have several reasons for this advice. One is that it's fairly easy to find range ammo in jacketed semi auto calibers that are quite close to the common Defense offerings. The second reason is that Lead Round Nose ammunition will slide through a conventionally rifled barrel with less friction than a Jacketed round. This means that you may see a difference in the Point of Impact relative to the sights due to the difference in velocity produced. Third reason is that you'll have less exposure to lead with jacketed ammunition, which is one reason why I really like Speer's TMJ Lawman. BTW, TMJ means Total Metal Jacket, so the base of the bullet is enclosed instead of open as in typical FMJ loads.

Basically, what I am saying hear is that it's best to avoid the cheap Blazer target ammo in LRN, I've found it pretty dirty to shoot and the lead exposure is a consderation. However, I will note that I believe that concerns about lead exposure are overblown, for a full grown adult I don't think there really is much risk. Still, I take the conservative path and try to reduce my exposure as much as is practical.

Now, about +P and +P+ loads. First, the +P offerings are a moderately overpressure loading that is endorsed and listed by SAAMI. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Institute, which is the premier "certifier" of ammunition in the US. The +P+ loadings available are NOT endorsed or listed by SAAMI, basically they are "wildcat" loadings. As for why this difference matters, when SAMMI endorsed a load that means that it's safe to use in barrels and chambers that were "proof tested" for the standard pressure loadings in that particular caliber. Basically, the +P ammo has pressure levels that are below the requirements of the "proof testing" standards. The +P+ loads are generally over this standard and it's use in a gun that wasn't a bit "overdesigned" may result in the +P+ load blowing up the gun.

Another consideration with the +P loads is that they WILL increase the wear and tear on the gun unless it's been modified for use with a +P load. On a semi automatic this means installing a stronger than normal recoil spring. BTW, that stronger recoil spring will likely cause feed issues with a standard pressure ammo, so you'll have to change recoil springs when changing between standard pressure and +P loads.

Finally, the +P loads will have more recoil and will change the POI relative to the sights. Depending on bullet weight, that POI may shift either up or down. This means that if you want to carry with a +P Defense ammo, you need to shoot it frequently enough to be reasonably proficient with it an familiar with the change in the POI.

Finally, while +P and +P+ loads are available in the 9mm, in the 40 caliber only standard pressure loads are offered by the major porducers. Finally, some of the 9mm +P offerings are actually more powerful than the 40 caliber in terms of muzzle energy, which means the recoil will be a bit of a surprize if you only use the standard 9mm for practice.

Finally, for a particular recomendation I'll stick with ammo's that I am familiar with.

For practice my number one choice is the Speer Lawman TMJ. It's not as cheap as the Federal Champion from Walmart but it's VERY clean shooting and I've found it to be very accurate. I really wish that Speer would make it more widely available on the Civilian market. Second choice is American Eagle or Federal Champion, which in some calibers are the same load in different boxes. One real plus is the Federal Champion from Walmart is cheap, bad news is that anti gun sporting goods "associates" either won't order it or may enforce a 3 box limit. Good news is that the Federal ammunition is very clean shooting with excellent accuracy. As for Winchester White Box, another budget offering, I've found it pretty dirty shooting with good accuracy. Blazer Brass is also a pretty good load, however the really cheap Blazer in the aluminum casings is just plain foul. Note the difference in the naming, Blazer Brass is loaded in re-useable brass casings and normally jacketed, the really cheap Blazer is loaded in one use only aluminum casings and so dirty shooting that some ranges ban it's use. As for why it's banned, it isn't the aluminum casings, it's because that HEPA filters aren't cheap and it's so foul that ranges that allow it have to change their filters more frequently. BTW, one range I shoot at spends 10 grand a month on filters and now ban any use of lead bullets with the exception of 22 LR. Note, many of the Blazer offerings are LRN.

As for Defense loads, I have experience with just two offerings, both of which are technically LEO only but many shops and ranges stock overruns of these loads. One is Winchester Ranger-T, which is an evolved version of the famous or infamous Black Talon. The other is the Speer Gold Dot, available on the civilian market in 20 round boxes and the LEO side in 50 round boxes. I prefer the 50 round LEO version because the cost per round is a bit lower. Both have superb reputations for effectiveness and I've found them to function perfectly in my semi's. Both are also quite clean shooting with grreat accuracy. One note, both of these loads are noticeably stouter in terms of recoil than the Federal range loads in either the American Eagle or Champion labels. Good news is the Speer Lawman TMJ has offerings that match the power of these Defense loads, however the Lawman does cost a bit more and can be hard to find at times.
 
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I agree with scooter regarding practicing with the same grain ammo as your carry or HD ammo. You will notice quite a difference in recoil and accuracy. Speer Gold Dot & Lawman are good products. I like Federal HST too. I shoot 9mm because it's cheaper and I can shoot it accurately. 40 S&W and 45 ACP do the job but it's debatable if a quality 9mm hollowpoint is any less effective. Shot placement is more important.
 
First of all I'd like to say that I got my hand slapped by a mod for posting this thread in the wrong forum. I replied to the pm apologizing for the oversight and would like to publicly offer my apologies here as well.

Thank you for the excellent replies and information! It gives me more to look into and to "bone up" on, and as this is all new to me, I've got a heck of a learning curve and a ways to go.

At this point I don't see myself doing any re-loading, but I can see it eventually getting to that point. I'm an avid motorcyclist and for years have done my own maintenance and repairs, getting full on into something is just the way I am. But safety is paramount and I'm no where near knowledgeable or skilled enough to even consider re-loading for the foreseeable future.

Scooter's advice makes since in that I'd like to range shoot something as close as possible, if not exactly like what I would be using as a defense round. Thanks for all the info Scooter, I'll be looking into the brands and type of rounds you have mentioned.

As a side note, we have three local gun shops that I have visited and I have found that each of them have gone out of their way to make both my wife and I feel comfortable and seem sincere in their desire to help us find exactly what we want and need. That said, only one of them has what I would consider any real level of inventory in the way of ammo. The two that don't have both mentioned that they can't compete with Walmart's pricing and therefore don't even try. What bothers me about this line of thought is that in my limited experience buying and shopping for ammo at Wallyworld is that the prices are a little lower than other places I've looked, but the selection and in some cases level of inventory is limited. The one store that does have a lot of ammo in stock isn't that much more than the big box store, but the selection is amazing! Guess who will be getting my business!

I'll be looking into buying on line and in bulk, but I'm not comfortable enough yet to do so. I think I'd rather find the rounds I want to use them shop for them as opposed to just buying a lot of rounds because their cheap.

There is so much to learn, and I'm really enjoying the process! I appreciate all the help and hope you guy don't mind me asking more questions, I'm sure I'll have a lot as I get further into this.

Thanks!!!
 
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