Walthernut
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An Updated Trigger Package For The Sigma
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oh man, i forgot i was in the wishlist. i actually went to the smith website and to the gunsmithing section and started to get pissed because i couldnt find it. duh. talk about being blinded by hope.
Some folks will say that the updated trigger package for the Sigma is the M&P...but I would disagree.
My first 9mm was the "enhanced" Sigma (post Glock lawsuit) Heavy trigger, but a good, fairly accurate and reliable gun. Over time, the trigger loosened up a bit, but not as much as I wanted.
I, like others, tried the polish, remove a spring, etc. work-around that you can find in posts online, but afterwords I suffered in that the reliability degraded. It no longer went "bang" everytime, making it a worthless gun.
I didn't want just a target gun - I wanted a carry gun with a slightly heaver than target trigger. I went back to stock springs - and again, it shot everytime - and then I traded it for a Glock 19.
Now, I loved the way the Sigma fit my hand. I hated the trigger grittyness and pull - too heavy. I tried out an M&P - and even with the interchangable backstraps - it didn't feel as good as the Sigma. I tried the XD...no good. I have 1911's, but unless I want to shell out $800 plus, I won't own a Kimber or Colt Lightweight commander model for carry.
The main reason I went to the Glock 19 was because a buddy of mine had a Glock 23 and I shot it well and it didn't feel horrible in my hand - but still not as comfortable as the Sigma.
I would bet that for the cost - S&W has no plans to enhance the Sigma trigger - especially with the M&P in place and doing well. But, if they kept the pricepoint on the Sigma where it's at - around $300 street (or less before all this crazyness) and enhanced the trigger and it's pull - they would win me back over.
My guess is there are many others who have gone through this process and have the same thoughts. We'll see...
My first 9mm was the "enhanced" Sigma (post Glock lawsuit) Heavy trigger, but a good, fairly accurate and reliable gun. Over time, the trigger loosened up a bit, but not as much as I wanted.
I, like others, tried the polish, remove a spring, etc. work-around that you can find in posts online, but afterwords I suffered in that the reliability degraded. It no longer went "bang" everytime, making it a worthless gun.
I didn't want just a target gun - I wanted a carry gun with a slightly heaver than target trigger. I went back to stock springs - and again, it shot everytime - and then I traded it for a Glock 19.
Now, I loved the way the Sigma fit my hand. I hated the trigger grittyness and pull - too heavy. I tried out an M&P - and even with the interchangable backstraps - it didn't feel as good as the Sigma. I tried the XD...no good. I have 1911's, but unless I want to shell out $800 plus, I won't own a Kimber or Colt Lightweight commander model for carry.
The main reason I went to the Glock 19 was because a buddy of mine had a Glock 23 and I shot it well and it didn't feel horrible in my hand - but still not as comfortable as the Sigma.
I would bet that for the cost - S&W has no plans to enhance the Sigma trigger - especially with the M&P in place and doing well. But, if they kept the pricepoint on the Sigma where it's at - around $300 street (or less before all this crazyness) and enhanced the trigger and it's pull - they would win me back over.
My guess is there are many others who have gone through this process and have the same thoughts. We'll see...
Oh, forgot to mention. The Glock 19 can take slide bites out of your trigger hand if you try to hold a high grip. It doesn't have much of a "beavertail". So, now I'm adjusting my grip to the gun which means gripping a little lower than I'm used to. Not as solid. That's another thing I liked about the Sigma - no bite - and the angle pointed and handled recoil better than the Glock does. I will say the Glock is more accurate out-of-the-box because it's trigger is smoother and lighter - but the Sigma was just as accurate for the time I had the trigger work in place.
Spotteddog
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J/D,
It sounds as though you've found a gun that your really in "like with" if not "love"?
Speaking from past experience I'd suggest, that if you've found the proper tool to fit your anatomy, your further ahead than most!
You know what you "want" but not many do or make it. No personally spec'd high performance anything, car, bike, gun, tailor made specifically for it's owner ever will sell on the going market for anything close to what it's owner has put in it trying to perfect it for his use alone? Trust me, I have multiple 10's of thousands of dollars in motorcycles, cars and guns to prove it! What you have found is a package that works for YOU. So I say, screw the rest of the planet! Turn Mothers picture to the wall and dump the bucks on a really good gunsmith to wring out all that can be done for trigger quality in a Sigma. If she fits you, you like her, and someone can build a reliable one with a trigger you can live with, go for it!
I know, I'm missing the point of the post? But if you like the gun, who cares if some/most don't! Build yours and show it to us when your done!
It sounds as though you've found a gun that your really in "like with" if not "love"?
Speaking from past experience I'd suggest, that if you've found the proper tool to fit your anatomy, your further ahead than most!
You know what you "want" but not many do or make it. No personally spec'd high performance anything, car, bike, gun, tailor made specifically for it's owner ever will sell on the going market for anything close to what it's owner has put in it trying to perfect it for his use alone? Trust me, I have multiple 10's of thousands of dollars in motorcycles, cars and guns to prove it! What you have found is a package that works for YOU. So I say, screw the rest of the planet! Turn Mothers picture to the wall and dump the bucks on a really good gunsmith to wring out all that can be done for trigger quality in a Sigma. If she fits you, you like her, and someone can build a reliable one with a trigger you can live with, go for it!
I know, I'm missing the point of the post? But if you like the gun, who cares if some/most don't! Build yours and show it to us when your done!
Spotteddog, point taken. Thanks for your post.
I was really in love - each time one of the tinkered fixes worked for awhile!
When I was researching - I couldn't find a gunsmith who wanted to try to take this on. For a time, there was mention of one on the web who people were going nuts about (about a year ago). Can't recall his name - but within about 3 months - his website was down and you couldn't find him anymore. Honestly, I probably didn't look hard enough after I found this site and thought I could do it all myself.
My guess was that with so many people on here and the WWW trying to find or design just this one fix to this great gun - a decent trigger pull - that it wasn't just "my" wish. Making it lighter would appear to make MANY folks happy. These same folks talk about loving every other aspect of this gun - especially the grip and reliability - same as me.
But the fact that not too many others have chimed in here yet make me think maybe I was wrong! Oh well!
I'm a tinkerer - but I got tinkered out.
Maybe I can drop the Glock firing pin/striker assembly into the Sigma, but lose the Glock dbl bladed trigger, and replace it with the Sigma flat-faced hinged trigger. But that will still be at about 6#'s. Wait....that's already been done, right?!
I may try again in the future. If I come across one at a show again for the right price -I don't have too much to lose. My first move will be to send it to S&W and ask for a 4# trigger - doesn't hurt to ask, does it?
I was really in love - each time one of the tinkered fixes worked for awhile!
When I was researching - I couldn't find a gunsmith who wanted to try to take this on. For a time, there was mention of one on the web who people were going nuts about (about a year ago). Can't recall his name - but within about 3 months - his website was down and you couldn't find him anymore. Honestly, I probably didn't look hard enough after I found this site and thought I could do it all myself.
My guess was that with so many people on here and the WWW trying to find or design just this one fix to this great gun - a decent trigger pull - that it wasn't just "my" wish. Making it lighter would appear to make MANY folks happy. These same folks talk about loving every other aspect of this gun - especially the grip and reliability - same as me.
But the fact that not too many others have chimed in here yet make me think maybe I was wrong! Oh well!
I'm a tinkerer - but I got tinkered out.
Maybe I can drop the Glock firing pin/striker assembly into the Sigma, but lose the Glock dbl bladed trigger, and replace it with the Sigma flat-faced hinged trigger. But that will still be at about 6#'s. Wait....that's already been done, right?!
I may try again in the future. If I come across one at a show again for the right price -I don't have too much to lose. My first move will be to send it to S&W and ask for a 4# trigger - doesn't hurt to ask, does it?
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I sent mine back with light strike issues and complained about the gritty, mushy trigger. The work order said "adjusted trigger". It is still long and hard but very smooth and the break very predictable. I have found the best for me is to "pull", not "squeeezze" the trigger. When I started doing this the accuracy improved greatly. With 1000 rounds down the pipe, and a touch Miltec grease around the sear the trigger is just fine for a carry pistol. If TSHF nobody will notice a long hard trigger.
RightWinger
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I have sold several hundreds of Sigmas while I worked at a gun store, and I think the majority of sales contributed to the fact that they were cheaper priced than glocks and other similar styles. I have owned a couple and probably would never own one again, the trigger was so bad it disgusted me. I'm usually one to buy american guns but I did buy a Glock in that case just because I felt like it was a better design, had a better trigger and had more parts available to upgrade it. If you have managed to get the trigger where you like it, my hat is off to you.
Well, I finally bit the bullet. Kept researching the M&P and realized the M&P "Pro" might be the ticket afterall.
4.5 "factory" trigger (vs 6 lbs +) and a shorter reset than the regular M&P, and a very easy to see fiber optic front sight. The trade off - if you want to call it that - was the 5" barrel vs the 4.25", making it slightly less easier to conceal, but giving it more balance and a little more weight to eat up some recoil.
So, will it be my new carry gun? Probably not, but it is the most accurate and shooter friendly 9mm I've ever shot. The trigger is sweet. Still, even with the interchangable backstraps, the grip doesn't feel as good as the Sigma did. I will use the Pro in IDPA and such. It's fast on target and fast to shoot.
If S&W could ever drop this trigger in a Sigma, I'd trade away my Glock 19 in a blink of an eye..but I'll not hold my breath. In the meantime, I'll still carry my thumb-web biting G19.
4.5 "factory" trigger (vs 6 lbs +) and a shorter reset than the regular M&P, and a very easy to see fiber optic front sight. The trade off - if you want to call it that - was the 5" barrel vs the 4.25", making it slightly less easier to conceal, but giving it more balance and a little more weight to eat up some recoil.
So, will it be my new carry gun? Probably not, but it is the most accurate and shooter friendly 9mm I've ever shot. The trigger is sweet. Still, even with the interchangable backstraps, the grip doesn't feel as good as the Sigma did. I will use the Pro in IDPA and such. It's fast on target and fast to shoot.
If S&W could ever drop this trigger in a Sigma, I'd trade away my Glock 19 in a blink of an eye..but I'll not hold my breath. In the meantime, I'll still carry my thumb-web biting G19.
Sigma Trigger
Some kind of adjustable trigger for the Sigma would be cool. Of course, the Sigma is simply not the perfect pistol. It's the perfect pistol for the price point. If it was the perfect pistol, S&W wouldn't let it out the door for $350 and rebates and free clips. But, it is reliable, simple for semi-auto newbies, and you can certainly hit an evil-doer on the other side of your apartment with it. You can also point it at a perp and nervously keep your finger on the heavy trigger for 15 minutes while waiting for the cops to arrive. When I bought mine, a $400, $500, or $600+ pistol simply wasn't in the budget. I'd still be relying on an Enfield No2 Mk1* in .38 S&W for home defense.
Some kind of adjustable trigger for the Sigma would be cool. Of course, the Sigma is simply not the perfect pistol. It's the perfect pistol for the price point. If it was the perfect pistol, S&W wouldn't let it out the door for $350 and rebates and free clips. But, it is reliable, simple for semi-auto newbies, and you can certainly hit an evil-doer on the other side of your apartment with it. You can also point it at a perp and nervously keep your finger on the heavy trigger for 15 minutes while waiting for the cops to arrive. When I bought mine, a $400, $500, or $600+ pistol simply wasn't in the budget. I'd still be relying on an Enfield No2 Mk1* in .38 S&W for home defense.
