gregintenn
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I believe this quote can be attributed to Rahm Immanuel.
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I believe this quote can be attributed to Rahm Immanuel.
glypnir
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Originally posted by rewster:
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Just my view from the grassy knoll
Now there are lots of train tracks up on the grassy knoll. But it is called the JFK intersection.
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Incidentally, Chuck Schumer is at the press conference for the Binghampton shooting. Old Chucky won't waste an opportunity to use victims to further his agenda.
rewster
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CORRECTION !! That's Shumck Chumer
cmort666
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The point is not to seriously advocate it. The point is to point a harsh spotlight on the "if it saves just one life" crowd, showing them up for the craven hypocrites that they are. No lawyer worth a damn ever asks a question in court to which he already doesn't have the answer. I KNOW to a certainty that they wouldn't retreat one nanometer from the 1st Amendment, while trying to gut the 2nd. I want them to SAY so, IN PUBLIC. Then I want to humiliate them by either making them [unsuccessfully] try to justify it or just resort to name calling.
I've been doing it in usenet and FidoNet before it for more than twenty years. It DOES open eyes.
bk43
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Interesting theory but not true. Mass murder syndrome is a paranoid type reaction by one unable to face a life altering milestone. Envy causes them to kill others and despair to kill themselves.
Politicians and the MSM do, of course, use these events to further their own agendas. That in itself is pathetic but unrelated to the killer.
Bob
As gun owners, we really need to get on top of the whacko control problem. Otherwise, we are eventually going to face more serious restrictions on gun ownership.
Perhaps it needs to be easier to involuntarily commit someone for mental health issues? Maybe the law needs to intervene more seriously when there is a first-time domestic violence situation? Maybe we need to plaster the world with 800-numbers for nutjobs to call before they do something rash?
In the meantime, there is nothing wrong with steering someone who is psychologically unsuited for firearms ownership towards another hobby. If you've got a friend who really doesn't need an AK or an AR, do the world a favor and get him a fishing pole and don't drool over guns around him.
Perhaps it needs to be easier to involuntarily commit someone for mental health issues? Maybe the law needs to intervene more seriously when there is a first-time domestic violence situation? Maybe we need to plaster the world with 800-numbers for nutjobs to call before they do something rash?
In the meantime, there is nothing wrong with steering someone who is psychologically unsuited for firearms ownership towards another hobby. If you've got a friend who really doesn't need an AK or an AR, do the world a favor and get him a fishing pole and don't drool over guns around him.
cmort666
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And your explanation for why ONE happens... then a BUNCH? The FIRST one gets the idea. Then the rest of them see the star treatment HE got and put 2+2 together.
They're malignant narcissists who crave attention by hurting others. They GET that attention by hurting others. Some of them may be crazy, but they're not that STUPID. Show somebody with no conscience that he can get something he wants (attention) by hurting a lot of people and what do you THINK is going to happen?
Do you think there's NO connection between people feeding bears and bear problems with people? Don't teach an actor, man or animal, that he can get what he wants by doing what you DON'T want him to do, then expect him to do otherwise. It's just not logical.
Wheelgunner840
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There is another thread going that is dealing with the very thing that you are suggesting. I believe that as gun owners, that we should be aware of people who seem to be a bit out of whack, and are acting in such a way or speaking in such a way as to suggest that they are going to be on the headline news at 11.
The question is, at what point are you going to drop a dime on this person, and have authorities conduct, at the very least, an interview to determine whether or not the person poses a risk to himself or others? This is a very slippery slope. People could be turning in folks just because they own guns, and the whistle blower just happens to think anyone who owns a gun is a nut. Police would soon get tired of interviewing people who have done nothing wrong, and pose no threat. Another problem is that the police in most cases do not have a degree in psychology, and are not qualified to make a decision to have someone disarmed and commited to an institution for evaluation.
Suppose a Smucky schumer type introduces a bill that requires citizens to turn in their fellow citizens for saying something anti-social or heaven forbid anti-government! Can you say Orwell 1984? This is a very good topic, but one should be cautioned that most of the suggestions offered as remedies are poisonous to a free society, and are open to all kinds of abuse, malice, and downright infringement of rights. The idea of making it easier to involuntarily have someone committed, scares the crap out of me. Especially if the government is in charge of setting the criteria.
So, I think that I will report something that is obvious, like a person stating that he is actually going to do something horrible, and stay away from playing self taught shrink.
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bk43
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Nope. As I said, interesting theory but not true. This is really just Logic 101. A relationship between two things is not necessarily cause and effect. Often, as is the case here, there is a third or hidden variable(s) that is causal. The fact that these people commit suicide is your biggest clue to the real issues and why "basking in the glory" from press coverage is not reality for them.
Bob
cmort666
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I believe it's 100% true. You can't explain why there's one shooting followed by a cluster of them. You can't POSSIBLY convince me that these are all "isolated incidents". This isn't 1888. When a vile cur in Pacific, Missouri murders ten people and gets more press than Brad Pitt, the vile cur in Jupiter, Florida knows about it within the hour. As a society, we're swimming off the Great Barrier Reef wearing a wetsuit made of porkchops, and it's the media who regularly sew that suit together. And people wonder why we keep getting bitten by sharks.
Why do they commit suicide? CONTROL. They've taken control of [and destroyed] a bunch of other lives, and now they've chosen the time and place of their own end. Why do you think they pick places where nobody's able to legally fight back? They want to KILL not to BE killed by others. When they're done killing others, they kill THEMSELVES.
As long as they get the same kind of publicity as Angelina Jolie, they're going to be attracted to mass killing of the helpless like sharks to chum. And the media simply doesn't give a damn. They're getting PAID.
cmort666
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tripledipper
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These tragedies have been going on since the beginning of time. Knife,club,gun,axe,poison and everything else. In the Binghamton case the 911 dispatcher failed to tell the responding LEO's about the guns mentioned by this perps mother in her 911 call.
bk43
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I can see you won't be convinced. This thinking is a vestage of the hippie movement. Everything is seen through rose colored glasses and all is cum by yah, sweetness and light, peace and love. The thought that one deranged person, acting alone without external influence can be capable of horrific violence is impossible to grasp so the collusion/conspiracy theories become rampant. Maybe we should call it the "grassy knoll phenomenon".
I'm afraid that I'm going to have to continue being a neanderthal and place 100% of the blame on the perp. It's nobody else's fault.
Bob
