Does a 25.20 Win 92 made in 1909 qualify as antique for shipping purposes?
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My understanding is production before 1899, unless there is an exemption. Definitely C & R status though.
LVSteve
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Nope, anything after 1898 is classed as a firearm.
Eddie Southgate
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No ........
Isn't there also an additional "qualifier" that the firearm has to be chambered in a "commercially available" round?
AFAIK 25.20 Win isn't "commercially available" - so I'm curious if it might still qualify as an antique on that basis.
Just askin'...
AFAIK 25.20 Win isn't "commercially available" - so I'm curious if it might still qualify as an antique on that basis.
Just askin'...
LVSteve
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Best not stir that pot too hard. The 1898 threshold also assumes that you cannot readily get ammo for guns that old. But we all know you can get ammo for 1888 Commission Rifles and 1893 Spanish Mausers without much trouble.
Pisgah
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Better forget that.
One Google search will take you right to Midway USA and their listing for brand-new Winchester .25-20 ammo...
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Yes, think also of all those .32 and .38 S & W DA and Safety Hammerless revolvers, pre-1899.
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25-20 may not be found at your local wally mart but it is still considered "Commercialy Available" and not "obsolete".
A round like the 41 Rimfire is obsolete and falls into that catagory .
My 1895 Mauser is chambered in 7 X 57... and is thus a "Firearm" under the law .
Ship your rifle correctly and don't take a chance getting in trouble ...
It's Just Not Worth It !
Gary
A round like the 41 Rimfire is obsolete and falls into that catagory .
My 1895 Mauser is chambered in 7 X 57... and is thus a "Firearm" under the law .
Ship your rifle correctly and don't take a chance getting in trouble ...
It's Just Not Worth It !
Gary
When did the caliber that a pre-1899 mfg'r firearm come into the debate about wether the rifle/pistol/shotgun firearm was still an Antique Status ,,or not.
** NFA firearms to be classified as 'Antique Status' must be both mfg'rd before 1899 AND be chambered for a cartridge not mfg'rd in the USA at this time AND the ammunition not be available in normal trade as well.
Don't confuse the NFA 'Antique Status' rules with that of the GCA68 Antique Status rule for Type 1 firearms (rifles, shotguns,handguns)
Pre-1898 mfg Shotguns of any mfg you care to pick,,Parker, LC Smith, Purdey, etc, and in the common gauges (12,16,20, etc) are considered Antique Status under GCA.
Trapdoor Springfields in 45-70 cal are Antique Status. 45-70 ammo is widely available otc.
pre-98 model Mauser rifles that were actually mfg'rd in 1898 or before regardless of caliber are Antique Status.
Some Models with pre 1898 Model names were made after 1898 so the actual mfgr date needs to be confirmed by ser# and actual mfg'r name.
There are many dealers/ffl's that will refuse to sell/transfer any cartridge firearm w/o a 4473/nics check. Especially one that chambers a common OTC cartridge.
But AFAIK, the GCA hasn't changed and Antique Status is mfg'r date related,,nothing to do with the cartidge the firearm is chambered in.
State Laws can differ and sometimes challenge the Fed Antique Status wording.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. These laws do change and I've been away from the FFL biz for a couple yrs now. I'd like to know if there is a change.
Some firearms LESS than 50y/o are C&R by BATF decree because of their Collectors value.
All Colt SAA revolvers made by Colt Firearms and that have the orig style lock work are classed as C&R regardless of date of mfg'r.
Repros of ANTIQUE cartridge firearms are NOT classed as an ANTIQUE status nor as a C&R status firearm..
One exception, that is UNLESS the repro is chambered for a cartridge that is no longer mfgrd in the USA and the ammunition is no longer available in normal trade in the USA (very gray area,,every one has access to USP delivery).
IF the Repro of an Anitique status cartridge firearm is chambered for such a ghost cartridge that no longer exists,,that Repro is also considered an Antique Status Firearm.
If the ammunition becomes available, the firearms reverts to Modern status because of it's mfg date if made less than 50yrs ago,,C&R if longer than 50 yrs ago.
** NFA firearms to be classified as 'Antique Status' must be both mfg'rd before 1899 AND be chambered for a cartridge not mfg'rd in the USA at this time AND the ammunition not be available in normal trade as well.
Don't confuse the NFA 'Antique Status' rules with that of the GCA68 Antique Status rule for Type 1 firearms (rifles, shotguns,handguns)
Pre-1898 mfg Shotguns of any mfg you care to pick,,Parker, LC Smith, Purdey, etc, and in the common gauges (12,16,20, etc) are considered Antique Status under GCA.
Trapdoor Springfields in 45-70 cal are Antique Status. 45-70 ammo is widely available otc.
pre-98 model Mauser rifles that were actually mfg'rd in 1898 or before regardless of caliber are Antique Status.
Some Models with pre 1898 Model names were made after 1898 so the actual mfgr date needs to be confirmed by ser# and actual mfg'r name.
There are many dealers/ffl's that will refuse to sell/transfer any cartridge firearm w/o a 4473/nics check. Especially one that chambers a common OTC cartridge.
But AFAIK, the GCA hasn't changed and Antique Status is mfg'r date related,,nothing to do with the cartidge the firearm is chambered in.
State Laws can differ and sometimes challenge the Fed Antique Status wording.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. These laws do change and I've been away from the FFL biz for a couple yrs now. I'd like to know if there is a change.
Some firearms LESS than 50y/o are C&R by BATF decree because of their Collectors value.
All Colt SAA revolvers made by Colt Firearms and that have the orig style lock work are classed as C&R regardless of date of mfg'r.
Repros of ANTIQUE cartridge firearms are NOT classed as an ANTIQUE status nor as a C&R status firearm..
One exception, that is UNLESS the repro is chambered for a cartridge that is no longer mfgrd in the USA and the ammunition is no longer available in normal trade in the USA (very gray area,,every one has access to USP delivery).
IF the Repro of an Anitique status cartridge firearm is chambered for such a ghost cartridge that no longer exists,,that Repro is also considered an Antique Status Firearm.
If the ammunition becomes available, the firearms reverts to Modern status because of it's mfg date if made less than 50yrs ago,,C&R if longer than 50 yrs ago.
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Thanks for the info.
Paul
Paul
