Any S&W Walthers Out There?

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Smith has been manufacturing the Walther since 2002. There is hardly anything on this forum concerning it's existence. Just wondering if there was any interest. I have several Smith's...like most of you do and one of mine happens to be a post-recall Walther.
 
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I had one of the early 'Tiger' editions. Once it was broken in, 200-300 rounds, it was reliable.
 
"Smith & Walther"

I've got a post-recall, Smith-made Walther PPK in .32 ACP with over 2500 rounds of factory hardball range ammo through her. I bought it new 2 years ago and have not experienced a single malfunction. Extremely accurate for its 3.25-inch barrel. No trouble keeping 7 well-aimed shots within a 9-inch paper plate at 50 feet. Re-designed extended beavertail is a definite improvement (IMHO) over the original design. It's a little jewel and everybody who shoots it gets a big grin on their face.

(BTW, I've shot the .380 version as well, and it is not a pleasant feeling; very hard on the hand. The gun was designed to shoot .32, not .380.)
 
I have a Ranger (Interarms 380) and I also have a Smith 32ACP made in January of this year. It too has been a real performer and will digest any FMJ or HP round that I have tried. I tend to prefer the Smith in 32. Both mine are PPK/S....I got one more round that you do.:D
 
I bought a used S&W Walther PPK/S in 380 about a year ago. It has the factory dimple indicating it went back for the recall. It has been flawless and become one of my favorites.
 
I'll be darn.....we have generated some interest here after-all. I had no idea if I would be shunned for mentioning the Walther, or bring in some positive posters. It is made in another plant, but....she still has Smith & Wesson stamped on her.

Those of us that have followed them for a while know that Smith shot themselves in the foot going out the gate, but I think they have came up with a good little auto-pistol. And....the only plastic or rubber part on it is the grips, which can easily be replaced with wooden ones. All solid shiny stainless steel little guns.
 
I've been running some rounds through my wife's PK-380, and it gets better all the time. Pleasant to shoot, very easy to operate the slide, only issue I have is remembering the mag release is that little lever on the bottom of the trigger guard.
 
Flawless PPK here. Only complaint is that it took a long time to get back from the recall.
 
I suppose they had something like 80,000 to 90,000 pistols to fix....if all of them came home. You have to applaud Smith for having the guts to do a total recall of every pistol they made between 2002 and 2009 to make them right. If I were buying a new one, I would make sure I got a post-recall (made after February 2009), or make sure the gun did go home for the fix. We are still turning-up 586 and 686's that were never sent in for the recall, so you know some of these older pistols have not gone home yet and are still sitting on distributors shelves or in a closet or safe somewhere.

From all I can tell and hear about shooters that have these recent pistols (or the recalled-fixes)....Smith has moved past their "growing pains".
 
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I purchsed a S&W 99 and a Walther P99QA. Both have been excellent shooters - totally reliable and quite accurate for a short barreled pistol. I also pregfer their unique ambidextrous mag release. Once S&W introduced their M&P line it appears that their has been limited promotion of the Walther pistols.
 
I can see that. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether-or-not Smith has ever contracted/licensed with another name to manufacturer a gun? Smith is licensed to produce this line under agreement with Walther. They basically picked-up where Interarms left off.
 
You have to applaud Smith for having the guts to do a total recall of every pistol they made between 2002 and 2009

They HAD too. All it would have taken was for 1 shmoe to be pointing their PPK or s and someone or themsleves while decocking the gun and BOOOOM.

I love mine although the slide is very difficult coming off, (worse trying to get it back on). The safety has a bad notch trying to engage it and the rear sights were way off to the left. She is very accurate though.
She's going to Cylinder & Slide for hotrodding.
Go to the Walther forum. There is mixed feelings about the Smiths.
 
Like....that's what you get when you mess with Mother Nature. They took a gun design that had been successful since around 1931 and "made improvements" to it.

Some of the improvements they made were worthwhile......fooling with the action of the hammer-block was not. They learned the hard way.
 
I have an early Smith PPK/S that has been back for the recall. Initially it would fail to feed 1 in 10 and I was not happy at all. But after about 3 to 4 hundred rounds it now runs great. I still haven't shot it a ton...maybe 1000 total...but it has been 100% since and I wouldn't hesitate to carry it. Love the look and feel of this gun!

The Walther forum has mixed feelings on the Smith variant but hard to blame them when it had some early bugs to work out. I agree that it seems that Smith has it running good now out of the box. My Dad wouldn't spend the extra on the Walther and chose a Bersa instead and it came with the same break-in woes I experienced with the Walther. Last I knew his would still FTFeed on occasion.
 

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As time passes, one begins to hear mostly good things about the Smith-Walther. It has not and will not be the first time somebody has screwed up early on. Look at the 586/686 ND series....we are still finding those 80's guns under recall that have never been sent back for the bushing/firing-pin updates. There will likely be lots of these early pistols out there in need of recall that have not been sent home. I think as long as a shooter gets the post-recall, or one that has definitely been sent home...he/she has nothing to be concerned about. Mine digest any kind of junk you want to put in it and goes bang every time.
 
I'm kicking around the idea of getting one of these, but I was concerned about the reliability thing a fair amount. However, most of y'all seem to give them good reports in the newer guns. I'd prefer a standard PPK to the PPK/S version, but they seem harder to find; haven't seen one locally. What's a good price for these little guns?
 
990L in 9mm its more of a tool than a passion like he wheelies. But, I am satisfied with it. I originally had a 99 .40 ex-LEO was impressed enough to special order what wanted.

By my reckoning its a Walther built by a proxy, not a true S&W.
 
It took me a while to come-around to a Smith-Walther. I already had an Interarms 380 in my collection and would not touch a Smith-Walther due to all the issues they had with the gun. They tried to fix something that was not broken....they messed with a design that had worked since 1931 and paid the price for it.

After they corrected their "improvements" they have produced a much better weapon with features that many older Walther owners appreciate, like a longer beaver-tail to prevent slide-bite and revamping/polishing the feed-ramp. Very few complaints (if any) can be found concerning the post-recall guns (February 2009 and newer). Most shooters, including me, report the little guns will digest anything in the caliber selected...be it FMJ or HP. The gun was built for the 32ACP and mine performs flawlessly and it did right-out-of-the-box.

They can be had off places such as Gunbroker in the $475 range, but be sure you get a post-recall. Mine is just one in my collection and I do not rely on it as a SD piece, although good SD ammo can be had in 32ACP.

As far as it not being considered a S&W....sorry boys...but it has Smith & Wesson engraved right on the slide. It is considered a step-child by many Smith owners because it's not their original design and it is made in another facility. The Walther design is a piece of history and the only manufacturer producing it now is S&W....like it or not. I also think it functions and looks a lot better than some of the "genuine" S&W automatic weapons that have been turned-out over the years and died, such as the 39, 59, 459....etc. The Walther design is 80-years old and it's still basically the same pistol now as it was when it was born. They must have got it right the first time.

It's a fun gun to shoot, simple, solid stainless steel construction, reliability has greatly improved in the post recall guns and there is no good reason not to have a Smith & Wesson-Walther if you want one.
 
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I wasn't knocking S&W's customer service, it just stinks to have your wife's CCW pistol (by her choice) gone for 2 months. To their credit they polished the feedramp for free. To be fair other brands had problems with their 380's at the same time. I would have had to send a pistol in if I had bought a Ruger LCP or Sig P238 instead.

I don't particularly care about the "originality" of the design or Walther pride. I just care that that it works and it works a lot better than the Interarms PPK/S I had previously. I also like the extended beavertail.
 
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