Anyone here with expertice on Walther PPK?

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I now own a made in '66 Walther PPK in .32. It's got the Walther banner with German ULM proofmark. Condition is 95% with both included mags being factory, no box. No ref. via rollmarks or ser# to Manhurin. Cost was $475. It must have made it here just before the GCA '68. I have always wanted a pre Interarms Walther, but I've got a bit of buyers remorse. Is it worth that much? I don't want to register on Watherforum just to make a single post. That seems like bad form.
 
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I would give that much for a NIB pre-68 Walther PPK though I would rather it be in .380 caliber. They are nice guns. I have a PPK/S in .22 caliber that I fitted with a MMC adjustable sight years ago after reading one of Skeeter Skelton's articles. Its extremely light, accurate and totally reliable.

Charlie
 
Congratulations! It's nice when you can get something you've always wanted.

I've seen a bunch of the W. German police .32 PP's for around $300, but a nice blued PPK is hard to find for under $500. You didn't steal it, but you didn‘t get hosed. The .32 seems to be the least desirable caliber, but they’re also the most functionally reliable and it was the caliber used by James Bond after they took away his .25 acp Beretta. I’ve never seen a .380 PPK or PPK/s that could make it thru the NRA Personal Protection range course of fire without a stoppage. I believe all the post-war PPK's were Manhuran made but finished and proofed in W. Germany, which allow them to lay claim under their laws. Sneaky buggers…

This one's proofed 1968.
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I would give that much for a NIB pre-68 Walther PPK though I would rather it be in .380 caliber.

Me too! :rolleyes: :D

The last LNIB .32 PPK I saw sell on GB went for around $1200. Pristine 60's vintage Walthers with all the goodies have been bringing big money the last few years.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=150233736
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=152630149
 
My wife's Interarms .380 PPK made it through a sub-freezing, January advanced defensive pistol course (> 200 rounds) without a hitch. The biggest delay we had was when a shooter couldn't get the empty mag out of his Glock.
 
A German writing in a US gun magazine some years ago said that German police tended to experience about one stoppage per 50 rounds in their 7.65mm PP's.

I'd guess that might be affected by a particular gun and by ammo brands. But I feel sure that it was a factor in their changing to 9mm's.

$475 for a clean PPK of that vintage isn't a massive bargain, but is in the ballpark, especially if it works well.

T-Star
 
After a little break-in, my "St. Etienne" marked .380 PPK/S was very reliable with Silver Tips. I sold it to a friend in the '80s when I needed money for a different gun. We're both out of work now, so if I get a job before he does, I'll probably try to buy it back the way I bought my 4" 29-2 from him. I'll probably carry it seldom, since .380acp is the ABSOLUTE minimum in power I'll carry.
 
It's an okay price. The GCA '68 didn't actually take effect until Jan of 1969, thus even guns made in 1968 still came in (see period gun magazines for ads about this).

The German armed forced used .32 caliber Walthers before and during WW2 and didn't seem to complain, so I'm not sure why there would be a 1 in 50 rate of jams in police service. Really bad maintenance perhaps. The tolerances on a PPK are a bit closer than modern pocket guns (like the KelTecs which sometimes rattle a bit). Thus one has to pay more attention to cleaning out crud, lint, etc if actually used as a pocket gun.

Other than the James Bond connection (JB no longer uses a PPK currently, FWIW, so only older fans will recall it if they know the character from the films), the .32 ACP version is less desired than the .380s. There was nothing that wrong with the Interarms versions from a user's standpoint. They'd usually feed FMJ well enough, and for the time, this arguably wasn't a bad choice for a .380 and works out well enough in some ways today.

Your particular gun might or might not feed JHPs well. Try rounds with a profile and weight similar to generic ball ammunition.

Decent enough price I'd say, echoing what has already been said.
 
My .22 cal PPK/S along with a German made .22 cal TPH

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Detail of the MMC adjustable sight on the PPK/S - Skeeter style.

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I'm going to say that you did, indeed, steal it. I would pay $475 in a heartbeat for a vintage Pre-'68 W. German PPK .32 like that. They sell for much more than that. Check out Simpson Ltd. - Collectors Firearms - Simpson Ltd. - Collectors Firearms and search "Walther."

I would suggest you do make that first post over on the Walther forum. They would love to see a pic of your gun!

I've got a '66 .380 but I think the .32 is even rarer.
 
Bought my Interarms-made PPK .380 nearly 10 years ago. Probably put 2,000 to 2,500 rounds through it.
With my lead bullet reloads, it occasionally jams when it gets dirty, but not with jacketed bullets (provided the ammo is good quality).
I have a cousin who put 8,000 rounds through his Interarms PPK in about two years. Like me, he occasionally experienced a jam with his lead loads, but not with jacketed.
After 8,000 rounds, he reported to me that a piece of something fell off. I was unclear what it was. He took it to a gunsmith, who declared it safe to fire. He stopped firing it because it lost its fine accuracy after so many rounds.
My PPK remains accurate, allowing me to place all rounds in a paper plate at 25 yards, standing upright and shooting with two hands. Those who don't think that's that's good shooting with a PPK need to try it sometime -- the short sighting distance (and my 55-year-old eyes) present challenges not found in full-sized guns.
The PPK is my carry gun. I believe in absolute reliability and penetration, especially in the winter when people wear heavy coats and multiple layers. I stuff it with Fiocchi 95 gr. FMJ cartridges. I like Fiocchi; it tends to be a little more powerful than the American stuff (though I understand that Fiocchi ammo marketed in the U.S. is now made in Missouri).

Raider:
My PPK also wears an MMC adjustable sight. Bought it off Ebay about 8 years ago, for $100 as I recall. I too recall Skeeter Skelton writing about it on his PPK. I also seem to recall he had soft rubber, Pachmayr grips on his. Never have been able to find rubber grips for the PPK; they're always made for the PPK/S, which won't work.
Love my MMC sight. It's small, doesn't add sharp corners or bulk, and has never lost its zero since I set it years ago.

The Walther PPK has a proven track record going back nearly 80 years. It works, and works well.
I didn't buy it because I wanted to be Agent Gatofeo, I bought it because I wanted a gun that went BANG every time the trigger was pulled, without fail. Loaded with jacketed bullet ammo, it does that.
 
In 95% condition and with both the magazines,,a pre InterArms PPK in 32acp is a very good buy at that price IMHO.

The Euro Police turn-in PP models in 32 from a few years back are bringing around $400+ in high condition and they are all import marked.
No more PPK models will ever be coming back in from Europe.

In less condition than that they become shooters and the price seems to drop off quickly,,like so many other pistols.
Everyone wants a 380 or .22, but the money meter goes up fast on those!
I recently sold my 1966 PPK in 22cal. I had owned it since '76 or there abouts. Almost new when I bought it but I carried it just about everyday and it showed it! It still sold for much more than I figured,,but had I SafeQueened it, it probably would have brought more than double that.
But I got all those years of security & enjoyment out of it. It did break a firing pin once!

Down to one pre-war PPK 32 now.
 
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