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Anyone SBR their 15-22?
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I know this isn't answering your question, as I haven't done it.
IMHO,
If you plan on keeping the gun from now on, it would probably be ok.
However,
To have just a semi-auto .22 and spending $200, also marking the receiver with your name and address, plus the wait till the forms come back is a bit much to invest in a 15-22..
I think if I were to SBR a AR15 type rifle, it would be a Colt or any standard AR, that way, you could put on a DOE (7 inch barreled upper) in 9mm, or a Colt 635 (10 1/2" upper) in 9mm, put any length .223 barrel on it, also put a deducated .22 barrel in any length you desire on it. It would be much more flexible and desirable to do.
If it were me, and funds weren't an issue, I'd just opt. for a M16 and be done with it.
Good luck with your decision.
augy
I know this isn't answering your question, as I haven't done it.
IMHO,
If you plan on keeping the gun from now on, it would probably be ok.
However,
To have just a semi-auto .22 and spending $200, also marking the receiver with your name and address, plus the wait till the forms come back is a bit much to invest in a 15-22..
I think if I were to SBR a AR15 type rifle, it would be a Colt or any standard AR, that way, you could put on a DOE (7 inch barreled upper) in 9mm, or a Colt 635 (10 1/2" upper) in 9mm, put any length .223 barrel on it, also put a deducated .22 barrel in any length you desire on it. It would be much more flexible and desirable to do.
If it were me, and funds weren't an issue, I'd just opt. for a M16 and be done with it.
Good luck with your decision.
augy
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I know this isn't answering your question, as I haven't done it.
IMHO,
If you plan on keeping the gun from now on, it would probably be ok.
However,
To have just a semi-auto .22 and spending $200, also marking the receiver with your name and address, plus the wait till the forms come back is a bit much to invest in a 15-22..
I think if I were to SBR a AR15 type rifle, it would be a Colt or any standard AR, that way, you could put on a DOE (7 inch barreled upper) in 9mm, or a Colt 635 (10 1/2" upper) in 9mm, put any length .223 barrel on it, also put a deducated .22 barrel in any length you desire on it. It would be much more flexible and desirable to do.
If it were me, and funds weren't an issue, I'd just opt. for a M16 and be done with it.
Good luck with your decision.
augy
Hey Augy,
Thanks for the reply. I undersand what you're saying. I ordered one of the new SS SilencerCo Sparrows for the 15-22 since I could also use it on my Wather P22 and GSG-1911. I know if I spend the money to SBR the 15-22 it's not going to be as versitile as if I did it to one of my ARs, but it doesn't stop me from thinking about it.
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Don't know anything about the legalities of this idea, but would it be feasible/possible to buy the 15-22p, register the 15-22 rifle lower as SBR, and use both uppers on both lowers. Having a rifle, pistol, SBR, and a long barreled pistol (4 guns in 2), seems economical.
Or once you SBR a lower does it have to stay an SBR?
I know it's illegal to swap the uppers on the rifle without the stamp. But can you go back to LBR?
Don't know anything about the legalities of this idea, but would it be feasible/possible to buy the 15-22p, register the 15-22 rifle lower as SBR, and use both uppers on both lowers. Having a rifle, pistol, SBR, and a long barreled pistol (4 guns in 2), seems economical.
Or once you SBR a lower does it have to stay an SBR?
I know it's illegal to swap the uppers on the rifle without the stamp. But can you go back to LBR?
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Lian
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why not just buy the 15-22P, the pistol variant, and add a stock.
DownRange&Upwind
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Because its Illegal! Federal Prison illegal!
Even a forward vertical grip on the 15-22p is deemed illegal by the atf even thow its not in a writing in the laws...
I do agree with a few more in here, unless you have money to blow sbr an ar-15 there is a lot more out there to play with on them..
If your just wanting the sbr look you can allways cut the grip back and add a dummy can to give the illusion of a sbr with a suppressor.. look in the classifieds under my add there is a pic of my 15-22 and one of my ar-15s.. the ar-15 has a 16" barrel but it doesn't look like it...
Tacticool I believe has a shroud that would fit the purpose or if your looking for somethin alittle more "one off" I can turn somethin up
I do agree with a few more in here, unless you have money to blow sbr an ar-15 there is a lot more out there to play with on them..
If your just wanting the sbr look you can allways cut the grip back and add a dummy can to give the illusion of a sbr with a suppressor.. look in the classifieds under my add there is a pic of my 15-22 and one of my ar-15s.. the ar-15 has a 16" barrel but it doesn't look like it...
Tacticool I believe has a shroud that would fit the purpose or if your looking for somethin alittle more "one off" I can turn somethin up
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I don't quite understand the economic argument to not SBR the 15-22. Tell me where I am wrong here.
SBR 15-22 $200
SBR AR $200 + $200 for .22lr conversion kit and a couple mags (or even more $ for a dedicated .22 upper)
For the same $400 I can SBR the AR and 15-22.
SBR 15-22 $200
SBR AR $200 + $200 for .22lr conversion kit and a couple mags (or even more $ for a dedicated .22 upper)
For the same $400 I can SBR the AR and 15-22.
I appreciate the advice - please know that I'm fortunate enough to have a military retirement check that allows me to play a bit.
NFA rules are pretty stringent and I don't profese to know all the details, but if I were to buy a "pistol" or build a bare AR receiver with a pistol buffer, then they are only pistols and cannot be converted without committing a felony and subjecting myself to 10 years in the federal pen. I will follow the rules.
As to the 15-22, I've already put more "stuff" on it then it originally cost (Magpul CTR and sights, Aimpoint and/or EOTech, and ordered a SS suppressor) so, spending $150 to have the barrel turned and $200 for the tax stamp are not outrageous for me. I was just trying to see if anyone on the forum had taken the plunge. Looks like I might be the first, so stay tuned for when I do decide. Know that it takes several months to get the tax stamp back, so it will be a slow process. Any yes, I'll put this rifle into my Revocable Trust and probably keep it for the long run.
BELT_FED - Once I get the stamp, can you turn the barrel and re-thread it for me? I would probably want an 11.5" barrel. It would depend on the velocity of a HV round from either a 10.5 or an 11.5, as well as if I'd have to free float the barrel and buy a new shroud/handguard.
Let's keep the discussions open and flowing!
NFA rules are pretty stringent and I don't profese to know all the details, but if I were to buy a "pistol" or build a bare AR receiver with a pistol buffer, then they are only pistols and cannot be converted without committing a felony and subjecting myself to 10 years in the federal pen. I will follow the rules.
As to the 15-22, I've already put more "stuff" on it then it originally cost (Magpul CTR and sights, Aimpoint and/or EOTech, and ordered a SS suppressor) so, spending $150 to have the barrel turned and $200 for the tax stamp are not outrageous for me. I was just trying to see if anyone on the forum had taken the plunge. Looks like I might be the first, so stay tuned for when I do decide. Know that it takes several months to get the tax stamp back, so it will be a slow process. Any yes, I'll put this rifle into my Revocable Trust and probably keep it for the long run.
BELT_FED - Once I get the stamp, can you turn the barrel and re-thread it for me? I would probably want an 11.5" barrel. It would depend on the velocity of a HV round from either a 10.5 or an 11.5, as well as if I'd have to free float the barrel and buy a new shroud/handguard.
Let's keep the discussions open and flowing!
I bought a M&P 15-22 rifle 6 months ago and have probably put 5,000 rounds down range with only a handful of FTEs. I love it so much I had to have the M&P 15-22P as soon as I could afford one.
Well, the uppers exchange to make a SBR of the rifle lower and a very long barrel pistol of the 15-22P lower. I won't even take a picture of it because of the NFA rules but, I was wondering if you could buy a SBR stamp for the rifle lower and make it legal to exchange the uppers. Does anyone know for sure?
The 15-22P has a 6" barrel and most SBRs are around 11". Looks really interesting but I have not had a chance to try to fire it and I am reluctant to do so because of the legal rammifications. Ten years in a fed pen is a strong deterrent.
Well, the uppers exchange to make a SBR of the rifle lower and a very long barrel pistol of the 15-22P lower. I won't even take a picture of it because of the NFA rules but, I was wondering if you could buy a SBR stamp for the rifle lower and make it legal to exchange the uppers. Does anyone know for sure?
The 15-22P has a 6" barrel and most SBRs are around 11". Looks really interesting but I have not had a chance to try to fire it and I am reluctant to do so because of the legal rammifications. Ten years in a fed pen is a strong deterrent.
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Don't fool around unti you get your tax stamp. If you want to see what a 6in SBR looks like click here. FERFRANS Ultra-Concealable Piston-Driven 6-inch AR Subcarbine/SBR (Video!)
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I'm sure of this.....
If you SBR an AR, you don't get multi cal., multi short uppers. You build one SBR, YOU CAN NEVER RETURN IT to anything else without another $200 bucks and prior approval from BATFE. The only way you can have numerous short uppers is with a registered MG, AND YOU BETTER NOT HAVE ANOTHER AR LOWER IN YOUR POSSESSION. Jail time/fine money is a no=****ter.
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If you SBR an AR, you don't get multi cal., multi short uppers. You build one SBR, YOU CAN NEVER RETURN IT to anything else without another $200 bucks and prior approval from BATFE. The only way you can have numerous short uppers is with a registered MG, AND YOU BETTER NOT HAVE ANOTHER AR LOWER IN YOUR POSSESSION. Jail time/fine money is a no=****ter.
Ned
Lian
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ahh ok, my bad. i dont understand the US laws, so please excuse me.
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Really?? I don't understand that law! What is it trying to prevent?
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You know as much ammo as as I am putting through this thing and as cool, and easy as it would be for me to SBR it? that could happen.
yeah it's 200 bones but you know a 10.5 inch with chopped rails would be slick ****.
Also if you mean you don't understand what the SBR laws are preventing it is the control you gain having a good stock and foregrip (if you choose) versus a pistol grip. and the balance of concealability/ lethality. in other words it's B.S.
yeah it's 200 bones but you know a 10.5 inch with chopped rails would be slick ****.
Also if you mean you don't understand what the SBR laws are preventing it is the control you gain having a good stock and foregrip (if you choose) versus a pistol grip. and the balance of concealability/ lethality. in other words it's B.S.
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So it is once it's SBed it has to stay that way? So my idea is out the window. The 4 in 2 idea is done i guess, even though it would be sooo cool and economically worth it.
I have a number of stamp weapons, and have one in for a 15-22, so I wanted to share some SBR information with you.
If you want to SBR your rifle, just submit your form 1 paperwork. Get it engraved while the paperwork is processing (which around tax time can be 90+ days.) Then, when the form comes back, you can SBR it. Note that you can't just give it to someone to cut the barrel, you either have to be with them or they have to be a manufacturer.
Once you SBR your rifle, in order to un-SBR it, you have to send a letter to the ATF demonstrating that it has been permanently re-configured back to non SBR--no tax stamp needed, but you won't get your $200 back either. Configure it back again and it takes $200 to go back onto the registry.
ATF SBR FAQ: ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - National Firearms Act (NFA) - Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns
Q: Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change?
Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR or SBS.
Q: Is it necessary to send notification to ATF and receive acknowledgement that the SBR or SBS has been removed from the purview of the NFA before it may be sold as a GCA firearm?
There is no requirement for the possessor of a registered NFA firearm to notify ATF that the firearm has been removed from the purview of the NFA. However, ATF recommends the possessor notify the NFA Branch of such changes in writing so that the possessor is not mistakenly identified as the owner if the firearm is later used in a crime. If, at the time of transfer, the firearm does not meet the definition of a SBR, it should be transferred without filing the NFA transfer application and without payment of the transfer tax.
When your submit your form 1, you may enter as many calibers as you wish in the proper block. I have an AR-15 registered for .223, 9mm, and 6.8mm. Same goes with length - I register mine for the shortest barreled upper that I will put on it. Any length longer upper is ok.
SBR'ing a pistol is different in that once you SBR it, to un-SBR it you would make it into a rifle.
15-22 on the way (waiting on form 1 so here is a photoshop job):
If you want to SBR your rifle, just submit your form 1 paperwork. Get it engraved while the paperwork is processing (which around tax time can be 90+ days.) Then, when the form comes back, you can SBR it. Note that you can't just give it to someone to cut the barrel, you either have to be with them or they have to be a manufacturer.
Once you SBR your rifle, in order to un-SBR it, you have to send a letter to the ATF demonstrating that it has been permanently re-configured back to non SBR--no tax stamp needed, but you won't get your $200 back either. Configure it back again and it takes $200 to go back onto the registry.
ATF SBR FAQ: ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - National Firearms Act (NFA) - Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns
Q: Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change?
Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR or SBS.
Q: Is it necessary to send notification to ATF and receive acknowledgement that the SBR or SBS has been removed from the purview of the NFA before it may be sold as a GCA firearm?
There is no requirement for the possessor of a registered NFA firearm to notify ATF that the firearm has been removed from the purview of the NFA. However, ATF recommends the possessor notify the NFA Branch of such changes in writing so that the possessor is not mistakenly identified as the owner if the firearm is later used in a crime. If, at the time of transfer, the firearm does not meet the definition of a SBR, it should be transferred without filing the NFA transfer application and without payment of the transfer tax.
When your submit your form 1, you may enter as many calibers as you wish in the proper block. I have an AR-15 registered for .223, 9mm, and 6.8mm. Same goes with length - I register mine for the shortest barreled upper that I will put on it. Any length longer upper is ok.
SBR'ing a pistol is different in that once you SBR it, to un-SBR it you would make it into a rifle.
15-22 on the way (waiting on form 1 so here is a photoshop job):
okstcowboy
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other than looks (awesome) what is the advantage to SBR
