APEX triggers... still a bit confussed

[tat2dchad]

so there are all these different Apex set ups. seers,springs Duty/cary..performance , reset etc. etc. etc.

if i want my M&P .40 to have the proper Apex trigger kit that will give me that 5.5lb trigger pull....

do i need the reset ???the other trigger? aluminum or plastic? keep the stock trigger?

just seems to be a lot of different little Apex kits and each one is a little different. i want it to be safe for carry and home defense...i def dont need the super light 3.5 lb. pull etc.

the factory trigger is not great as we all know. it is better after shooting the gun for a bit but still not good or what i think it could be. i know the trigger alone will not make me the best new target shooting sniper in the world but it has to help with some of that low left sight alignment problem you get from the heavy break

 

[timn8er]

Have you considered asking them directly? I don't know if anyone can tell you what you need to know better than the people that make the parts!

Welcome to Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc.

 

[M&PmikeC]

I installed the apex FSS kit with the aluminum trigger. it comes with 2 springs 1 3 lb trigger and the other a 5 lb trigger.. I used the heavier of the two and it breaks at 4.98 lbs on the digital and its perfect

 

[El Campo]

^^ what he said. U can also get the polymer triggered kit which is exactly the same with exception of trigger composition for cheaper also. I would highly recommend the FSS (forward set sear). It makes a huge difference and you will love it

 

[robkarrob]

It all depends of what you want. If all you need is the 5 to 5 1/2 pound trigger pull, get the duty carry (DCAEK) kit. You will have a little more take-up, a slightly shorter sear pull, and slightly less over-travel. The comp kit lowers the pull weight to around 3 pounds, and the FSS eliminates most all take-up, shortens the pull, and moves the break point forward. The triggers add a little different face, along with shortening both take-up and OT.

Bob

 

[PastureOfMuppets]

but it has to help with some of that low left sight alignment problem you get from the heavy break

If that's a problem, you are trying to fix software with hardware.

 

[Rastoff]

If that's a problem, you are trying to fix software with hardware.

I don't think this is exactly what he's trying to do.

A terrible trigger can magnify issues. So, a better trigger can help with things like squeezing the whole hand vs just the trigger finger. Thus, the low left issue can be helped with a better trigger.

For me the best trigger upgrade for this issue is the FSS.

Also, shooting low left is not necessarily a sight alignment issue. It's more likely a mechanics issue.

 

[OKFC05]

One added bit of info on the FSS.
It is considered a custom competition mod by IDPA and USPSA, and moves it out of Stock/ Production to Enhanced / Limited, competing against STIs and such.
For those that might want to use their guns in competition.

As an instructor, I would caution that the FSS, by eliminating the takeup, adds to the training and diligence required to avoid negligent discharges. I prefer the longer 2-stage feel for carry, even though I like lighter for competition.

 

[blujax01]

If that's a problem, you are trying to fix software with hardware.

This.

Much like the fellow who spends $300 on a new driver instead of $100 for a lesson with a golf pro - after a couple of great shots, he'll be back in the tall stuff.

The stock triggers on the M&P's are far from horrible.

 

[tat2dchad]

I don't think this is exactly what he's trying to do.

A terrible trigger can magnify issues. So, a better trigger can help with things like squeezing the whole hand vs just the trigger finger. Thus, the low left issue can be helped with a better trigger.

For me the best trigger upgrade for this issue is the FSS.

Also, shooting low left is not necessarily a sight alignment issue. It's more likely a mechanics issue.

hey look...he ^^^gets it!!! weird how that works

by no means what-so-ever do i think changing the trigger to an APEX trigger will make me capable of amazing accuracy or shooting dust off a gnats ***.

however...in the APEX tutorial video of how to change to their trigger they make it a point to mention that the new trigger will eliminate a little if not all of the sight deflection.

now why does APEX make different triggers kits? why is there competition kits vs duty/carry? why are there other sights available for any gun etc? is a pro using a lighter trigger gonna be a better shot vs using a standard trigger? id guess he would be a bit better and that is the reason for that option yeah?
why night sights? do you do a lot of pitch dark shooting that you need them to glow? in a self defense situation do you think you would even use sights if a man was charging you from 10 feet away? or...does that particular sight work better for you than this one or that? im guessing you would use the one you felt the most accurate with...correct?
because different things can help make each person better in some way shape or form. its like saying..... its dark in your house, light a candle or.....install some lights. yup you can see both ways but one is going to have an advantage. i dont think you are gonna build a new house to solve that little problem. hardware/software

i am disabled with Multiple Sclerosis and i dont have the same hand strength or coordination as most healthy people do. so yes when i pull the stock S&W trigger that would be 8lbs to you....is maybe 15 to me (example) so a lighter easier trigger would 100% make me a bit more accurate from the jump. and as i said its not gonna make me go from 15 round groups in a 10' circle to 15 keyhole shots but taking away that little sight deflection will def have an advantage in where the start comes from and will make a real difference in how i take a shot. yup there will still be things to learn and practice practice practice.

you have never seen me shoot but you know how to fix whats wrong? dayum...you must be crazy good

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[PastureOfMuppets]

you have never seen me shoot but you know how to fix whats wrong? dayum...you must be crazy good

To be fair, 99.9% of the time when someone tells you they are shooting low left it's not rocket science to know how to fix what's wrong. Assuming everyone that posts has MS or any debilitating illness would be a bit weird.

In answer to your question on why trigger kits that for different purposes - because different people want or need different things. For Joe Average, standard trigger is just fine. Joe Average doesn't benefit a different trigger until he reaches a certain level - indeed, probably shouldn't change to a lighter trigger until he reaches a certain level.

It's rare that someone needs a lighter trigger to cure a problem, in your case... Sounds like a great idea.

I shoot stock guns. I teach people with stock guns for a reason. I used to teach people to drive race cars... there was a reason I started them off in a stock manual shift car. It doesn't matter what the equipment is unless you can use it, you don't know what you need until you are good enough to identify what will take you beyond your skills. Now you have explained, it's obvious you have shot enough to know a 8 lb trigger feels like a 15 lb trigger to you.