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Ten percent is sure a nice discount. The last MacBook Pro I purchased at a Base Exchange was priced at $10 under retail. As the clerk pointed out to me I WAS saving by not paying state sales tax.

I don't see Apple's discount program being much different than GOVX.com or some of the other retailers that offer discounts.

Good for them.
 
I see Apple as pro-marijuana and anti-gun.

I truly don't give the northbound end of a southbound rat about the weed (hey, there's a ton of tax revenue to be gained, I guess), but the other perspective chafes my nether regions.

Thanks, Apple, but you can keep your discount and your merchandise.

Last time I checked the BX still sold Levi's, too.

A 28-year Vet with an opinion!
 
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Obstructing/delaying/hindering FBI investigation into
iphone of terrorist (San Bernadino), to preserve market
share & profits. Google it.

I don't need to Google it, I remember it well.

Don't see the connection, though, between that and the military and veterans.

Don't really understand why you'd use that as a reason to be against veterans (like me and a lot of other forum members) saving a few bucks, but if that's your stance or opinion, well, you're welcome to it.
 
I don't need to Google it, I remember it well.

Don't see the connection, though, between that and the military and veterans.

You don't see the irony with Apple, on one hand,
resisting efforts to gain intel on terrorists, and on
the other, extending discounts to US military.

Roger that.
 
Apple did not hinder, delay or obstruct law enforcement in the San Bernadino case beyond saying, “No. We will not write software so that law enforcement can break into iPhones.”

You see, if you can break into one, you can break into all of them.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Ben Franklin

While there are many, this seems to be a pretty good article on the imbroglio: Revelations on the FBI’s Unlocking of the San Bernardino iPhone: Maybe the Future Isn't Going Dark After All - Lawfare
 
Apple did not hinder, delay or obstruct law enforcement in the San Bernadino case beyond saying, “No. We will not write software so that law enforcement can break into iPhones.”

They sure did. They refused to crack the killer's single phone,
even with the FBI allowing them to do so in Apple's facility, in
Apple employee's hands, with Apple keeping full control of
the means and methodology to do so.
 
Recommend you read the article I linked above. (Seems our info differs. Got a link for me with your understanding of what happened?)

Here is Apple explaining its point of view on this incident: Customer Letter - Apple

The statement includes the following short excerpt:

...We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.

Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software, which does not exist today, would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.

The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control...
 
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They sure did. They refused to crack the killer's single phone,
even with the FBI allowing them to do so in Apple's facility, in
Apple employee's hands, with Apple keeping full control of
the means and methodology to do so.

Dude, get over it. It’s a military discount. If you don’t like Apple, start your own thread instead of ruining this one.
 
Recommend you read the article I linked above. (Seems our info differs. Got a link for me with your understanding of what happened?)

Here is Apple explaining its point of view on this incident:

Apple's letter was specious posturing. The court order is
two pages long, and clear--"work the specific phone, download
the information to the FBI"-- there was no demand for a "backdoor"
to all Apple devices.
It even offered renumeration for Apple's
work.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/file/825001/download
 
Steve, “specious posturing” seems a bit unkind, don’t you think? While Apple did not impugn the FBI’s motives, it did note, in the excerpt I quoted, that while maybe the FBI did not use the words, what they asked would undeniably create a backdoor.

The government had its point of view, and Apple had theirs.

The premise of the government’s request for the order was that the FBI could not access the terrorist’s iPhone without Apple complying with the requested order. Apple sought to vacate the order. The order became moot when the FBI accessed the phone without Apple’s help using technology developed by an existing vendor to the FBI.

The Justice Department’s Inspector General’s report — on why the FBI said it could not crack the iPhone without Apple’s help, but in fact wound up doing just that — concluded that in essence within the FBI the criminal cyber security experts and the national security cyber security experts were not communicating with one another. The national security cyber security team had the ability, through a vendor-provided solution, to crack the iPhone without Apple’s help. And did so, once their help was enlisted. Here is the IG’s report: https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2018/o1803.pdf

Here is a quote from it: “We believe all these disconnects resulted in a delay in seeking and obtaining vendor assistance that ultimately proved fruitful, and that as a result of the belatedly-obtained technical solution, the government was required to withdraw from its previously stated position that it could not access the iPhone in this critical case, and by implication in other cases, without first compelling cooperation from the manufacturer.”

The IG report came about because senior FBI officials grew worried that through their own lack of proper information about FBI capabilities, they had misinformed Congress.

Anyhow, interesting case.
 
Steve, “specious posturing” seems a bit unkind, don’t you think? While Apple did not impugn the FBI’s motives, it did note, in the excerpt I quoted, that while maybe the FBI did not use the words, what they asked would undeniably create a backdoor.

It's accurate. The "backdoor"--calling it
that is a stretch, since it would be coded to the specific IMEI
of the terrorist's phone--would be in Apple employee's hands,
not the FBI.

The government had its point of view, and Apple had theirs.

The premise of the government’s request for the order was that the FBI could not access the terrorist’s iPhone without Apple complying with the requested order. Apple sought to vacate the order. The order became moot when the FBI accessed the phone without Apple’s help using technology developed by an existing vendor to the FBI.

The Justice Department’s Inspector General’s report — on why the FBI said it could not crack the iPhone without Apple’s help, but in fact wound up doing just that — concluded that in essence within the FBI the criminal cyber security experts and the national security cyber security experts were not communicating with one another. The national security cyber security team had the ability, through a vendor-provided solution, to crack the iPhone without Apple’s help. And did so, once their help was enlisted. Here is the IG’s report: https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2018/o1803.pdf

Here is a quote from it: “We believe all these disconnects resulted in a delay in seeking and obtaining vendor assistance that ultimately proved fruitful, and that as a result of the belatedly-obtained technical solution, the government was required to withdraw from its previously stated position that it could not access the iPhone in this critical case, and by implication in other cases, without first compelling cooperation from the manufacturer.”

The IG report came about because senior FBI officials grew worried that through their own lack of proper information about FBI capabilities, they had misinformed Congress.

That's all after the court order, and Apple's refusal to comply
with assistance, and irrelevant.

All's well that ends well. Other enterprises did step up, and now LE has several products available to crack Apple devices...
one more tool against pedo's and terrorists.

As a vet and former LE, I'm pleased with the results. :)
 
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