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Hello my fellow enablers!

I am looking to purchase another handgun, I don't need it, but I want to. I have a couple models in mind, but I tend to look at the available cartridges. I am thinking of going back into metallic silhouette, and was wondering about the 10mm. I have a 41, and know it's capabilities along with the 44, just don't want to expose the damaged bones and ligatures to excessive recoil.

Not looking for something for SD, but more for steel (plates to metallic silhouette). Would the 10mm fit this bill out to about 220 yards?
 
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I think so. I have had a 610 for several years and find it more pleasant to use than the 41 Mag. 10mm is still here, 41 Mag is gone.

FWIW
Ken
 
The only reason a free man needs to own a firearm is the desire to own it.

Honestly, folks need to remember that they are entitled to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
The moment you start feeling the need to justify firearms purchases to anyone (including yourself) based on a practical use, is the moment you've forgotten those rights.

I can't comment on the 10mm Autos capabilities for long-range metallic silhouette shooting, but if such is relevant to your enjoyment of the pistol, then I would suggest renting one first and trying it out for yourself.
 
lrrifleman said:
Hello my fellow enablers!

I am looking to purchase another handgun, I don't need it, but I want to. I have a couple models in mind, but I tend to look at the available cartridges. I am thinking of going back into metallic silhouette, and was wondering about the 10mm. I have a 41, and know it's capabilities along with the 44, just don't want to expose the damaged bones and ligatures to excessive recoil.

Not looking for something for SD, but more for steel (plates to metallic silhouette). Would the 10mm fit this bill out to about 220 yards?
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We really don't have a good 10mm gun. The 10mm 1911's sling brass about 20 away from you and the locking lugs get worn out quick. The plastic guns are just retconned 9mm's. It's time to bring back the 1006.

But at 220 yards (!) the 10mm will be gassed. It really was intended for carry/combat first. Go 460 or 500 with 8 and 3/8 barrel.
 
Dirty Harry Callahan said:
The only reason a free man needs to own a firearm is the desire to own it.

Honestly, folks need to remember that they are entitled to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
The moment you start feeling the need to justify firearms purchases to anyone (including yourself) based on a practical use, is the moment you've forgotten those rights.
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Or maybe he just wants to know if the gun is worth getting...?
 
ContinentalOp said:
Or maybe he just wants to know if the gun is worth getting...?
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That's not the impression that I got based on the wording.

One does not need to be "enabled" to buy a firearm if they're not sure if it's worth it, nor do they typically make statements like; "I don't need it, but I want to."
 
ContinentalOp has it pegged. I am not looking to justify a purchase, I am looking to investigate the capability of the cartridge. I purchase my guns based on how I can use them. Virtually all of my handguns fire cartridges associated with some form of target shooting or hunting. If the round can be reasonably used in a self-defense application, so much the better. I try to understand what the round can do before I purchase it, so that I can better exploit the arm. I really want to know the limitations of any cartridge before I buy it, in part because I have to go through the permit process and I don't want to waste a permit on a gun I most likely wouldn't use.
 
lrrifleman said:
Hello my fellow enablers!

I am looking to purchase another handgun, I don't need it, but I want to. I have a couple models in mind, but I tend to look at the available cartridges. I am thinking of going back into metallic silhouette, and was wondering about the 10mm. I have a 41, and know it's capabilities along with the 44, just don't want to expose the damaged bones and ligatures to excessive recoil.

Not looking for something for SD, but more for steel (plates to metallic silhouette). Would the 10mm fit this bill out to about 220 yards?
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Yes, if you have the skill,
The 10MM Auto cartridge can fill the bill.
Sorry for the rhyme

Several summers ago, I built THOR.

Thor.jpg


Several things put me into the building mood. First was some new shooter with his recently acquired 40 caliber Glock proclaiming that he had finally acquired the Hammer of Thor

The second thing was that at about the same time, I had noticed that STI put the 40 S&W 6" long slides on closeout. They had no sight cuts, which was perfect for my plans. Obviously we all know that a 40 S&W slide is a 10MM Auto slide.

So the project started. My good friends at Briley supplied the match barrel with spherical bushing and there was also a sale on frames with over sized rails and integral magazine funnels.

Everything was hand fitted and the slide was lapped to the now barely oversize frame.

I ordered up an Aristocrat rear sight and we calculated then machined an appropriate height front sight

I used a trigger with ball bearings mounted in the bow. With the reduced friction the pistol has a 100% safe and repeatable 2 1/2 pound break

The slide was cerakoated flat dark earth and then the flats were polished bright to give the two tone look to the slide. The frame was ceracoated black

Esmeralda O'Sheehan crafted the grips with THOR's Hammer scrimshawed among the Cletic weave



I agree with Dirty Harry Callahan, when it comes to Firearms (or anything), NEED has nothing to do with it. This is AMERICA that we live in, all it takes is a want and the means necessary to achieve it.

For those of you that do not know me, I am a big 10MM Auto and 10MM Magnum fan. I have been shooting these cartridges since the 90s.

I did not need THOR, but things transpired and I Wanted THOR so I built THOR . . . I LOVE AMERICA

We all eagerly look forward to see where this journey leads you
 
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Many times, forum members refer to themselves as enablers, and I was using that term in an endearing manner. I WILL be purchasing another handgun (hence I won't need encouragement to make the purchase), but I do require some assistance (the enabling) to select the cartridge.
 
10mm can be handloaded for a 180 grain bullet at about 1300 fps. Nothing to sneeze at, but not in the same class as the big magnums. Same energy more or less as top .357 magnum loads, and not quite as flat shooting. I have an xdm 10mm for no good reason other than that I wanted one. For silhouettes at 200m I'd go 460 and handload.
 
For most of my shooting life, pistol shooting was broken into two categories: target (read 22LR, 38Special, and 45ACP) or hunting (357 Magnum, 41 Magnum, or 44 Magnum). This has been my pistol shooting life for almost 40 years. Due to my challenges, I want to broaden my horizons and have fun. I bought my 41 almost 20 years ago for a handgun hunt that most likely will never occur now due to accident injuries, but I can still dream and work towards it. Over the past 20-25 years, many new cartridges have been developed, but I am not well versed on, so I seek the wisdom of the more experienced here.

I am not afraid of recoil, but since the accident and the years of recovery, I don't want to revisit the incapacitation. The closest I may ever come to my highly desired handgun hunt may be metallic silhouette. I believe that a 44 Magnum would do the job, but I fear that the recoil could be more than my frame could endure. Perhaps my 41 Magnum can do the job, but I would like to look at a non-Magnum. Hence, my questions about the 10mm. Eventually, the question could evolve to, "can the Skeeter load in 44 Special knock down the steel rams at 220 yards", basically because I would like to avoid the punishment of a Magnum.

It may be difficult to grasp, but for me, each firearm purchase and goal is highlighting an accomplishment towards my physical recovery.

Please, allow me to qualify this, I am not looking for pity or empathy. I am trying to set achievable goals and collect the tools to aid in accomplishing these goals.
 
I don't have a disability, but you might consider what I do. I have a 6.5 inch 629. Factory 44 mag is way too powerful for casual shooting or target use. So I handload a 240 grain cast bullet to around 1000 or 1050 fps. Accurate, pleasant to shoot, easy on gun and shooter. If you hunt that load will drop any game in North America. I don't know about silhouettes but if you load, you can experiment.
 
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10mm

I have had many 10mm pistols come and go from my safe. The Glock 20SF is the one I still have and shoot regulary. I bought it specifically for long range shooting. While I do shoot it at combat distances in doors at my club, most of the time I grab a box or 2 of the Sig target 180 grain FMJ, or some other ammo on the hotter side, drop in my factory OEM 6" barrel ( midwest gun works for $150.00) and hammer away at the 12" steel plates at my clubs outdoor range. It's fun, challenging but not too hard, and that hot 10mm hits that steel hard enough to swing it and produce loud "ping" even at 100 yards.
I have often said that with the 10's recent revival, and all the new factory loadings (I think for example Midway shows like 36 ) and pistols it could be the most versatile pistol round out there.
Get one, you can do a lot with it.
 
Since the original poster mentions familiarity with 41M and 44M, it seems to me his inquiry is in regards to a 10mm revolver.
I enjoy shooting 357M, 41M, 44M, & 10mm. Comparing my 6" 41M to my 6.5" 610, the 'apparent felt' recoil of the 610 seems to less than the 41M. And that's with the old original hot ammo.
 
oldman10mm said:
Since the original poster mentions familiarity with 41M and 44M, it seems to me his inquiry is in regards to a 10mm revolver.
... the 'apparent felt' recoil of the 610 seems to less than the 41M. And that's with the old original hot ammo.
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BINGO!

Sir, in your experience, how far can the 10mm reach out accurately without being loaded "magnum hot"?

Looking at just the upper body injuries (fractured collar bone, shattered left scapula, repaired 98% torn rotator cuff, and severed left tricep), I strive to minimize exposure to recoil ... tired of doctors finding hidden injuries missed by the initial attending trauma team. The heaviest recoiling rifles I shoot prone are 308 & 7 Rem Mag. I can still shoot my 12ga Brownings. Handgun limits are being tested, SLOWLY.
 
ArchAngelCD said:
How about the Sig P220 n 10mm? They have a Nitron model that will hold up in competition and they come with 3x steel mags.

Just a suggestion.
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Sir, a viable option. At the moment, looking to get data of the cartridges' capabilities. I have no problem or set opinion on the handgun, yet. Having had 30 surgeries in the past 13 years (26 accident related), I just don't want to end up back in a hospital too soon for anything beyond routine.I still wake every morning to the prospect of losing my leg from that accident!
 
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Ballistic trajectory charts, they don't indicate what yardage is 'zero' at, seem to be on the average for drop at 200 yards, 41M 25", 357M & 44M 30", 10mm 35".
If I was at the range shooting my 1006 5" barrel and 610 6.5" barrel and someone said to try them at 200 yard plates, I wouldn't even look at the 1006 and go directly for the 610.
 
All handgun cartridges/calibers are considered capable of travelling downrange of at least a mile if shot at the proper angle.
Crosswind, spin drift, and Coriolis Effect will affect accuracy.
There are videos of balloons being popped at 200 yards with a 2" 38 special.
The S&W M19 6" 357M I had I sighted it in for 100 yard zero and it did very well.
 
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lrrifleman said:
Hello my fellow enablers!

I am looking to purchase another handgun, I don't need it, but I want to. I have a couple models in mind, but I tend to look at the available cartridges. I am thinking of going back into metallic silhouette, and was wondering about the 10mm. I have a 41, and know it's capabilities along with the 44, just don't want to expose the damaged bones and ligatures to excessive recoil.

Not looking for something for SD, but more for steel (plates to metallic silhouette). Would the 10mm fit this bill out to about 220 yards?
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I am a revolver guy, and I acquired a Ruger GP 100 Match Champion 10 mm 6 shot. I haven't shot it, yet. It's my first 10 mm.

My revolvers are from 22 WMR/Magnum up to a 500 Magnum.

I'd like a 10 mm Glock pistol.


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Not to be Dougie Downer here, but ...you need to look at the guy in the mirror and ask him very seriously if the performance you need for the use you intend is consistent with your physical capacity. It would be a hollow victory indeed to find some platform that does what you request, and learn that it aggravates your physical condition to the extent that you lose other pastimes you value.
 
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Doug M. said:
Not to be Dougie Downer here, but ...you need to look at the guy in the mirror and ask him very seriously if the performance you need for the use you
intend is consistent with your physical capacity. It would be a hollow victory in deed to find some platform that does what you request, and learn that it aggravates your physical condition to the extent that you lose other pastimes you value.
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You, Sir, are not being Dougie Downer, you are being brazenly realistic, I applaud that.

I am aware that I am able to hit steel most of the time with my 41M, but ... I can handle the recoil impulse, up to an extent. I know that my body can hold up to the rigors of a 2700 with my K22, K38 & 1911, but I also know that after about 15-20 full power (or close) 41 Magnums, my body/injuries starts to protest.

While I am pretty sure that I could polish off a box or two of 357s without difficulty, I doubt that the round would have the mass/momentum to knock down a ram at 220 yards. [Footnote: ages before the accident I was able to knock down about 40% of the rams using an 8" Model 27 shooting the long-discontinued Speer 146gr 1/2 jacketed HPSWC, using a modified Bisley free-style prone position.]

My belief is, given an attainable goal with equipment capable of achieving that goal, I may actually achieve that goal. My recovery has been goal driven since the day I awoke from my coma.

Where I stand at the moment is either a 610 using 180-200gr bullets, or a 6"-ish 629 firing the old 44 Special Skeeter load. If the 10mm is up to the task, I could even consider a semi-auto for the job to help soak up some recoil.
 
Just a thought, but with the physical limitations you have, and the risk of further aggravating them by shooting a caliber with substantial recoil, why not consider .22 silhouette shooting? Ranges are decreased compared to the centerfire version, but it just as challenging as the big gun version, without the recoil.

Larry
 
Larry,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I want the distance. While I am not a glutton for punishment, I have been pushing myself and my limits since I came out of the coma Memorial Day weekend (2007). Trauma doctors anticipated I would be in a wheelchair for my remaining days. I resumed walking three and a half months after the accident. Started pulling the trigger four years after the accident. I am shooting 223, 308, and '06 out to 600, and 7 Rem Mag for 1000 yards F class. Going to try mid-range prone with the sling this spring with a long-range AR I assembled. I am treating my challenges as challenges, not as physical barriers. Actually looking to do a pheasant hunt in two months.

I also like the idea and gratification of making my own ammo, from casting the bullets to loading the finished product, something I wouldn't be able to do with a 22. Paint me stubborn, I refuse to give in to the injuries!
 
If you reload, your 41 Magnum can easily be loaded down to 10mm performance and recoil levels. If you simply want a 10mm, that's enough justification in and of itself. If you just want 10mm performance, it's available in the downloaded 41.
 
ArchAngelCD said:
How about the Sig P220 n 10mm? They have a Nitron model that will hold up in competition and they come with 3x steel mags.

Just a suggestion.
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yes, P220 in 10 would be my first choice. I like the Lipsey special issues especially the black Nitron ArchAngel is talking about w adjustable rear and fiber front. Amazing gun. Tightly fit, full steel and has weight to it, recoil will be no problem. 5'' match barrel too. Its a handful
 
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