At times I wonder just HOW DEAF most shooters are

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Every now and again, on this or that board, someone will have a thread about shooting quietly with a 22.

And just as sure as God made little green horse apples, someone will tell about shooting SHORTS in his rifle, and how it sounds like a silencer in a movie - thoop - when you fire.

Years back there was an article in some outdoor rag - Sports Afield or Outdoor Life, or like that - about squirrel hunting. The writer met his guide, an old hillbilly, at the appointed spot. The guide takes out a single shot bolt action, and a box of shorts. The writer, who is loading the magazine of his 10/22, says, "Uh, Bob. I've got a WHOLE BOX of Long Rifle Hollowpoints, here, if you'd like to use them". But Bob explains that, when the writer fires off that Long Rifle, every squirrel for a half-mile in any direction will freeze in fear. But when he shoots a short, "why it just sounds like a pine-cone falling", and it doesn't scare the game.

Now, over in the "other gun" forum, there is a thread about guns that you should oughta be ashamed of. And one feller tells about his Rotten Gun 22 short, that is so inaccurate you can't hit a barn from the inside. Says he was gonna put down a possum with it, and figgered a short would be quiet enough, and to make sure, waited until a city bus was going by, so that diesel would cover the noise, and then let fly. Said from three feet he missed the head, but hit the neck so still killed it, but also said it was LOUD. This was a 2" pistol, but still.

That was so good to hear. I've wondered at times if I was the only one that had loud shorts.

I normally go after the bushy-tailed-tree-rats in my pecan trees, with Super Colibris. They are extremely quiet, but sometimes it takes two or three shots to put one down. Not a lot of "stopping power". :p

So I thought I would give shorts a try. While I don't have a whole lot of 'em, it would be nice to know if they really work.

I did a scientific test. I loaded three rounds in my Remington pump. In order, a Super Colibri, a CCI CB Long, and a short. Stood at my back door and shot the pine tree - about twenty feet away.

pop-pop - that noise was the shell going off and then the bullet hitting the pine tree.
BAP - did not hear the bullet hit the tree. Sounded about like dropping an encyclopedia on the floor from waist-high.
KAPOWWW!!!!!
Yeah, that was a gunshot.

In my experience, shorts ain't nowheres near quiet.

So all these folks that think they are quiet, must have had too much of a round-count without ear protection.
 
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A scientific means to test the idea would be to purchase a decibel meter and measure the reading from different loads out of different weapons, barrel lengths, etc.

A short barrel revolver will likely have more muzzle blast than a rifle. There is also the matter of the barrel cylinder gap. On a cheaper or well worn gun this may have become relatively large compared to a different revolver.

Then there is the sonic boom to consider, as the shorts should remain subsonic from a rifle, whereas a long rifle round may not.

Lacking a decibel meter and such you are left with subjective testing. I always found even a 9mm auto seemed like a card gun if one had just previously fired a .44 magnum...
 
Subjective testing is more or less the objective, although objective testing has its uses, also. In my very limited experience (I usually wear "ears"), a CB Long in a rifle doesn't require ear protection outdoors. Go for more power or a shorter barrel and it starts to get loud. Also, as a retired ATF agent demonstrated to me, there ARE small silencers that work on supersonic .22 cartridges. The sonic crack is still there, but a person behind the line doesn't need "ears" to protect from the muzzle blast.

Not sure at what level hearing damage starts to occur. I've read numbers, but I'm pretty sure that they are not completely correct. When I was about eighteen years old, I went through some qualification course with a Garand (a cute story in itself about teaching city boys about guns) without hearing protection, and my hearing was noticeably affected for a couple of days. Permanently? Not that anyone has EVER measured, and I got a lot of those tests in the Navy.

YMMV.
 
Most peculiar. That thread is gone.

Wonder if I been hitting the pipe too hard? Hallucinations early in the day? Maybe there never was such a thread. Maybe I dreamed it?
 
From the shooter's view point .22 subsonic are loud since the sonic boom is not heard by the shooter anyway.
 
On an outing in the country some years back a friend of mine had some .22s that had only the primer in the shell case. No powder. I was shooting a 6" revolver and he was shooting a rifle of some kind probably with a 20" barrel. My pistol was louder than his rifle but it wasn't AS loud. That rifle was fairly quiet. Depending upon a persons level of deafness I'd say it was hardly recognizable as a gunshot.

Any a y'all ever hear of .22 ammo with only the primers and no powder?
 
Sure. That's the Colibri I mentioned. But powderless 22s have been around since there were 22s.

The original 22 was called a BB cap. They attached a round ball to a percussion cap - no powder. Bulleted Breech Cap.

Then they went to a slightly heavier, pointed bullet. CB Cap - Conical Bullet Cap. Again, primer only, no powder.

Twenty years or so back, Aguila, out of Mexico, started making 22 Long Rifle with no powder. They cut the bullet weight to 20 grains, and used primer only. Called it Colibri. Very quiet.

Worked great in a pistol, but there were occasions of the friction of a long rifle barrel stopping the bullet, so they said to only use it in pistols.

Then they made a new version. DOUBLE the amount of primer mixture, but still no powder, and still a 20 grain bullet. These new ones are called Super Colibri. They work fine in everything I have shot them in, from an 1 7/8" 317 up to a 22" Marlin 39. In the short barreled revolver they sound like those orange plastic "ring caps", and in a rifle you can barely hear anything except the hammer fall.
 

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An opossum has got a very small brain like mine & will die faster being hit in the heart with a 22. Shoot the squirrel in the head with a short & the armadillo will get hit by a car & you can save the ammo. When we see one run over and feet up that is a good place to pull over and put your Lone Star beer bottle & say grace while you take a leak. A short out of an old 27 inch barrel rifle is plenty quite. I have one sighted in for shorts. A good pump it up pellet gun will work in the city or anywhere within a 100 feet or so.
 
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Best I can gather it is shooting quietly with a 22 & the only way you can do this is if it doesn't go off. I can peal a slice of cheese real slow and cant hear it myself in one end of the house & the dogs can hear from the outside when you open the wrapper. My ears are still ringing. Alpo started this don't blame it on me. He has good ears like my mother--rest her soul.
 
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To shoot a 22 quietly, purchase one of the many suppressors on the market today, thread the barrel of any "non self loading" rifle and one can only hear the fall of the firing pin and the whack of the bullet when it hits the target. Keep it subsonic, shorts or SV LR and all is silent. And the squirrels do not go hide. Its amazing that over 40 states have approved hunting with suppressors. Its just to bad the government gets $ 200 from every purchase.
 
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