Dated January 2011, and covers most home defense and three gun shotguns. http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-certain-shotguns.pdf
ATF study on shotguns
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Interesting read. I see that Eric holder is the one that commisioned the study. The 'working group' is to come up with the specs for 'sporting shotgun' for importation purposes.
Interesting that they have 'depth of receiver' & width of receiver' specs in mind. Just like the points system for pistol importation. That there may eliminate a common SxS shotgun as they're not the slimmest gun on the rack. An O/U is one of if not the deepest.
Practical Shooting Competition w/a shotgun is NOT a sporting purpose if they go the way the report is leaning. Neither is simple 'Plinking' (their word).
..and some people thought they wouldn't touch gun control in this administration. Just make more regs,,no need to make more laws.
Interesting that they have 'depth of receiver' & width of receiver' specs in mind. Just like the points system for pistol importation. That there may eliminate a common SxS shotgun as they're not the slimmest gun on the rack. An O/U is one of if not the deepest.
Practical Shooting Competition w/a shotgun is NOT a sporting purpose if they go the way the report is leaning. Neither is simple 'Plinking' (their word).
..and some people thought they wouldn't touch gun control in this administration. Just make more regs,,no need to make more laws.
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I don't give a rats behind what anyone says, OUR CONSTITUTION says "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". It says absolutely NOTHING about grips, or barrel length or having a concealed carry permit or any of the bull manure (working real hard to keep it clean). No, WE THE PEOPLE either start repealing these unconstitutional laws or we bend over and take it in the . . . All LAWS that infringe on our RIGHT to own firearms can be summed up in one word, Unconstitutional. Write, fax, phone, e-mail your elected officials and lets work to get these Unconstitutional laws struck from the books forever.
OP
USPSA clubs have been circulating this link, and they do think their sport shotguns will be affected in some way.
Pasifikawv
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So, according to the ATF/DOJ working group, practice shooting afield is not a sport nor is target shooting at the range. Hmmm...
If I read this correctly and if the AFT/DOJ gets its way, that Winchester SXD made in Turkey, banned; Escort Pump, banned; CZ USA Model 719 made in Germany, banned; Savage/Stevens 350 made in PRC, banned; Norinco/IAC Model 97W made in PRC, banned; Beneli M2 made in Italy, banned; Beretta TX4 made in Italy, banned; FN Herstal MK1 made in Belgium, banned; Saiga made in Russia, banned. All of these shotguns and many, many more would be banned from entering the USA....
If I read this correctly and if the AFT/DOJ gets its way, that Winchester SXD made in Turkey, banned; Escort Pump, banned; CZ USA Model 719 made in Germany, banned; Savage/Stevens 350 made in PRC, banned; Norinco/IAC Model 97W made in PRC, banned; Beneli M2 made in Italy, banned; Beretta TX4 made in Italy, banned; FN Herstal MK1 made in Belgium, banned; Saiga made in Russia, banned. All of these shotguns and many, many more would be banned from entering the USA....
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The cover page of the study has an email address to send comments to...
If you have an opinion, you might try sending it no later than 01 May 2011. And perhaps share this with others who might also have an opinion.
If you have an opinion, you might try sending it no later than 01 May 2011. And perhaps share this with others who might also have an opinion.
Tell ATF how you feel about importing shotguns...
ATF has conducted a study (?) about the importability of certain shotguns "not suitable for sporting use." You may comment on their proposed regulations if you wish.
Enter "Department of Justice" into the search engine of your choice, and find United States Department of Justice. When you get to the DOJ home page, enter "shotgun study" in the search bar on the upper right of the page. In the results that come up, click on the PDF link called "Study on Importability." If you have Adobe Reader, the link should open the report for you to read.
The "study" concludes that there are 10 features found on some shotguns that have primarily military and law enforcement applications but serve no legitimate sporting purpose. Those 10 features are:
1: A folding, telescoping or collapsible stock
2: A bayonet lug
3: A flash suppressor
4: Magazines capable of holding more than five rounds and drum magazines
5: Grenade launcher mounts
6: Integrated rail systems other than on top of the receiver or barrel
7: Light-enhancing devices
8: Excessive weight (greater than 10 lbs. for 12-gauge or smaller shotguns)
9: Excessive bulk (greater than 3" in width and/or 4" in depth)
10: Forward pistol grips or other protruding parts designed or used for gripping the shotgun with the shooter's extended hand.
If you agree or disagree with any of the above, here's your opportunity to sound off.
I have three comments.
1. The Second Amendment is NOT about sporting firearms.
2. A light on a shotgun serves a legitimate self-defense purpose.
3. Further encroachment on a key tenet of our Bill of Rights is totally out of line. They should back off.
But that's just me, folks. Have at 'em.
John
ATF has conducted a study (?) about the importability of certain shotguns "not suitable for sporting use." You may comment on their proposed regulations if you wish.
Enter "Department of Justice" into the search engine of your choice, and find United States Department of Justice. When you get to the DOJ home page, enter "shotgun study" in the search bar on the upper right of the page. In the results that come up, click on the PDF link called "Study on Importability." If you have Adobe Reader, the link should open the report for you to read.
The "study" concludes that there are 10 features found on some shotguns that have primarily military and law enforcement applications but serve no legitimate sporting purpose. Those 10 features are:
1: A folding, telescoping or collapsible stock
2: A bayonet lug
3: A flash suppressor
4: Magazines capable of holding more than five rounds and drum magazines
5: Grenade launcher mounts
6: Integrated rail systems other than on top of the receiver or barrel
7: Light-enhancing devices
8: Excessive weight (greater than 10 lbs. for 12-gauge or smaller shotguns)
9: Excessive bulk (greater than 3" in width and/or 4" in depth)
10: Forward pistol grips or other protruding parts designed or used for gripping the shotgun with the shooter's extended hand.
If you agree or disagree with any of the above, here's your opportunity to sound off.
I have three comments.
1. The Second Amendment is NOT about sporting firearms.
2. A light on a shotgun serves a legitimate self-defense purpose.
3. Further encroachment on a key tenet of our Bill of Rights is totally out of line. They should back off.
But that's just me, folks. Have at 'em.
John
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This all goes back to the "sporting purposes" test included in the GCA 1968 giving the Secretary of the Treasury (BATFE was a Treasury agency at that time) the power to determine which weapons met the "sporting purposes" test for the purpose of importation. That is the slender reed upon which they are basing this. Now that the individual right position has been enshrined in Federal law, maybe it is time to go after the "sporting purposes" test.
From my point of view, based on the "military purposes" test enshrined by United States v. Miller (1939), the more "military" a weapon is, the more it is deserving of 2A protection.
Bullseye
From my point of view, based on the "military purposes" test enshrined by United States v. Miller (1939), the more "military" a weapon is, the more it is deserving of 2A protection.
Bullseye
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I would be in total support of a ban on imported firearms . . . if they would also ban the importation of foreign automobiles, electronics, steel, clothing, and orphaned children.
With the exception of foreign orphaned childred, our outsourcing to other countries is feeding the current economic downfall. I'm all about buying an American made Remington or Mossberg shotgun.
With the exception of foreign orphaned childred, our outsourcing to other countries is feeding the current economic downfall. I'm all about buying an American made Remington or Mossberg shotgun.
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Paladin,
Without repeating everything you said, I'll just say: I agree!! There's too much time spent in messing around with paltry issues that don't solve the BIG problems that need REAL attention. Too heavy? How'd something that inane make the list? Waste of time and taxpayers' dollars IMOO.
Without repeating everything you said, I'll just say: I agree!! There's too much time spent in messing around with paltry issues that don't solve the BIG problems that need REAL attention. Too heavy? How'd something that inane make the list? Waste of time and taxpayers' dollars IMOO.
Bullseye 2620
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That point is actually covered in the BATFE report the OP posted. In rebuttal to this, they actually quote Chris Dodd saying "if it is primarily a military weapon and is used in a sporting match, it is still a military weapon," or some such.
The problem is that the "sporting use" authority is written into the GCA 1968. As far as BATFE is concerned, they are mandated to do the study, and then propose and make a rule.
It might be good to write the new chair of the House Appropriations Committee Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies, to urge that no funds be appropriated or expended to undertake any rule-making pursuant to the findings in the report at issue. Congress is in a budget-cutting mood right now anyway.
Hope this isn't too political. If it is, mods please edit.
Bullseye
OLDFED
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I just added my comments to the ATF site and urge you to do it also. I've seen such studies and resulting laws pass in part because the public didn't let itself be heard. Be nice in your comments but be honest. Tell the ATF how you feel about their study! At the time of my comment, only two others had said anything at all. That's pretty pathetic for those of us who care about our freedoms. Now GO DO IT! Thanks!
OP
I posted the ATF document on the 2A forum a couple of weeks ago if anyone wants to read it.
devildog66
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I am sure that the ATF or IRS or John Q Public can find you and your income level easily enough without you sending in an e-mail to comment on pending law/regulation.
maryrose213
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I have replied to the study with my two cents, I encourage you all to do the same. They can't ignore all of us.
These people need to be reminded that nowhere do the words "sporting purpose" appear in the 2nd Amendment.
Any law or regulation which introduces such a term to infringe upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional and should never have been allowed to go into effect. The fact that the GCA68 did does not change the fact that it is unconstitutional. It should be struck down, just like the DC handgun ban.
Here's the email address:
All interested persons may submit comments on this study.
Comments may be submitted by e-mail to [email protected] or by fax to (202)648-9601.
Faxed comments may not exceed 5 pages.
All comments must include name and mailing address.
ATF encourages submission of comments no later than May 1, 2011.
Any law or regulation which introduces such a term to infringe upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional and should never have been allowed to go into effect. The fact that the GCA68 did does not change the fact that it is unconstitutional. It should be struck down, just like the DC handgun ban.
Here's the email address:
All interested persons may submit comments on this study.
Comments may be submitted by e-mail to [email protected] or by fax to (202)648-9601.
Faxed comments may not exceed 5 pages.
All comments must include name and mailing address.
ATF encourages submission of comments no later than May 1, 2011.
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OP
BTT, I would like to see more people read the document. Don't let the title fool you.
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I still remember something about a merger of the ATF and the FBI back in the day. The only part I remember was something about if you add dirty water to clean water then all you end up with is a lot of dirty water. That's not an exact quote but it's close enough to get the point across. Funny how it holds true to this very day.
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