Attempted Robbery next door

[Zeteo]

The business next to mine was a source of high excitement today. Suspect entered the business at about noon EST and demanded register money. Female business owner pulled out handgun (don't know make or caliber) and he ran out the door.

She must have depressed a panic button during the encounter, as several police descended on the area very quickly. She chased the suspect, and while outside in her parking lot, discharged her weapon in the air over busy business & traffic area.

Suspect was apprehended by police across the street in the K-Mart parking lot.

I think this highlights how critical it is for those of us who use firearms as self-defense weapons to be well trained in their use. She should NEVER have fired that weapon, in fact, she never should have left the building in pursuit. The police were on scene when the weapon was discharged. She is incredibly lucky that the bullet didn't hit an innocent bystander.

Police confiscated the weapon. Don't know what will happen with her about the discharge.

It's a mad, mad, world!

 

[Cocked & Locked]

uh oh

She has probably messed up...big time. Keep us posted as to what happens.

 

[The Big D]

What goes up must come down.

Wow, what an incredibly bad decision(s) she made.

This illustrates why training is, IMHO, a very important and necessary component of firearms carriage.

Be safe.

 

[PDL]

Welcome to the forum.

Here behind the lead curtain, she would have been in cuffs in the back of the patrol car. Her assailent would be suing her for reckless endangerment. She definitely should not have shot in the air regardless of in or out of the building. Major bad, outside when the threat was not there.

 

[Larry from Bend]

Where I live she would have been cited for poor marksmanship.

 

[Zeteo]

I have a couple of good buddies on the local PD. As soon as I hear from them with details, I'll pass them on.

 

[HotRoderX]

I think common since would go along way also. I know someone who carry's who should not be aloud. There the type of person who will escalate a situation instead of trying to avoid it or deescalate it. They sound just like the store owner instead of escalating the situation by chasing the robber out. She should have locked the door to her business and waited for Police.

 

[fiasconva]

On a positive note: The rest of the guys in the 'hood are going to say that lady's crazy and better not try to rob her again.

 

[raven818]

Too much T.V., not enough training...

 

[oldman45]

I agree mistakes were made. I agree she did some stupid things.

I also will say this is not uncommon in people after going through a stressful event where their life was in danger.

A good friend of mine with 27 yrs on the Dept and having been on the scene of many shootouts was involved in a shooting several years ago. He totally emptied his gun into the felon, picked up his partner's gun and emptied it into the fallen felon. When quesitoned as to how many shots he fired, he told the board he thought he fired about five and said he never heard any shots other than the ones fired by the felon. He did not remember getting his partner's gun but it was caught on security video.

If someone talks with the lady that fired the airborne round tomorrow, I will bet she will not remember doing so.

I get to interview a lot of people after the fact. They often make a remark like "I do not remember doing it but ws told I did." This is also why I am not fond of people carrying a pocket full of magazines. Under stress, common sense and cool heads go out the door and I include my self in this group. I have done some stupid things over the years that had I not been under stress, I would not have done. Since the mid 80's I have investigated and attempted to reconstruct several civilian shootings where there would be over 30 casings at the scene but the shooter was not able to recall swapping magazines.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

A good friend of mine with 27 yrs on the Dept and having been on the scene of many shootouts was involved in a shooting several years ago. He totally emptied his gun into the felon, picked up his partner's gun and emptied it into the fallen felon. When quesitoned as to how many shots he fired, he told the board he thought he fired about five and said he never heard any shots other than the ones fired by the felon.

Bad answer. He should have pled temporary sanity.

 

[feralmerril]

I bet he wont try robbing her again though.

 

[BaldEagle1313]

So, are you planning your expansion in to the soon-to-be-vacant space next door? Shooting him while in her store pointing a gun at her is one thing. Chasing him into the street and firing in the air? Hope no one 6 blocks away got hit when the bullet came back to earth. She's in a world of trouble.

 

[jtpur]

Dumb and probably a techinical violation of improper exhibition of a firearm and maybe even a violation of discharge not in necessary self defense...Prosecutor should decline charges and they should return her gun.

 

[hatt]

A few of you guys are beating up the victim. She was under intense stress and did some stupid stuff. So what. No harm, no foul.

And oldman45. Those are good stories illustrating why everyone should keep their trap shut right after an incident.

 

[BaldEagle1313]

Hatt, I didn't think I was beating up on her - just reciting what happened and offering the opinion that the authorities will be mightily displeased. We all to things under extreme stress that we would never normally do. Unfortunately for this shop owner she's going to get sued by someone - even if just for "emotional distress."

 

[jamesk1989]

And oldman45. Those are good stories illustrating why everyone should keep their trap shut right after an incident.

I've been told that in Massachusetts, pleading the fifth is discouraged by the police. Does anyone want to shed some insight on this?

 

[jimmyj]

In my patrol area a convenence store manager (female) would run out of the store into her private vehicle and go in high speed pursuit of a "Gas Drive-Off".
At another convenence store the clerk (male) ran after a shop lifter who stole a six pack of beer firing a revolver. The pawn shop manager next door joined the foot pursuit firing a auto pistol.
The thief stopped after several blocks and sat on the ground. When I arrived both the clerk and manager (with guns in hand) was standing with their backs to the thief.
DUMB??

 

[oldman45]

In my patrol area a convenence store manager (female) would run out of the store into her private vehicle and go in high speed pursuit of a "Gas Drive-Off".
At another convenence store the clerk (male) ran after a shop lifter who stole a six pack of beer firing a revolver. The pawn shop manager next door joined the foot pursuit firing a auto pistol.
The thief stopped after several blocks and sat on the ground. When I arrived both the clerk and manager (with guns in hand) was standing with their backs to the thief.
DUMB??

Jimmy, you reminded me of an incident I worked in Texarkana many yrs ago. There was a drive off (gas theft) of $3.00 (gas was cheaper back then) and the station owner got in a car chase with the thief. The owner caused the man to spin out, overturn and fatally injured. It was learned the deceased was a mental patient due to war and was highly decorated hero during the war. He came back early due to brain issues. The station owner was charged with the accident since he was ramming the car at the time the accident took place and was chasing him without calling the police. The station owner also had a .357 in his possession. Depending on who one spoke with, he possibly fired shots at the fleeing vehicle.

There was so much wrong in that incident that it took weeks to figure it all out.

 

[paplinker]

The business next to mine was a source of high excitement today. Suspect entered the business at about noon EST and demanded register money. Female business owner pulled out handgun (don't know make or caliber) and he ran out the door.

She must have depressed a panic button during the encounter, as several police descended on the area very quickly. She chased the suspect, and while outside in her parking lot, discharged her weapon in the air over busy business & traffic area.

Suspect was apprehended by police across the street in the K-Mart parking lot.

I think this highlights how critical it is for those of us who use firearms as self-defense weapons to be well trained in their use. She should NEVER have fired that weapon, in fact, she never should have left the building in pursuit. The police were on scene when the weapon was discharged. She is incredibly lucky that the bullet didn't hit an innocent bystander.

Police confiscated the weapon. Don't know what will happen with her about the discharge.

It's a mad, mad, world!

So zeteo,what is the dividing wall of your shops made of? I hope concrete.If not be careful.