Australian Victory Question

[waelkhntr]

I'm in the process of making a display for my Australian marked lend/lease Victory. Any idea of which lanyard would be appropriate for an Australian issued Victory. Additionally what would the appropriate British .38/200 ammo box look like.

Thank You,
Terry

 

[Model19man]

No idea on the lanyard. This ammo might be appropriate.

 

[Model19man]

Sides looked like this:

 

[waelkhntr]

Thank you M19m. Let the search begin .

 

[Walter Rego]

I believe this is the issue rig you would be looking for. The holster is definitely Australian, the weave pattern was unique to them. The lanyard is British and most likely correct.

 

[gmborkovic]

When I was a young kid, didnt they use to sell this kind of stuff in the town
Sunny Surplus Stores? I remember buying holsters for cap pistols and
winter parkas.

 

[waelkhntr]

Walter R.
I agree with the holster which I already have but the British lanyard like yours didn't fit the lanyard ring and was big and clunky. Its almost like the lanyard for the model 1911 and/or model 1917 fits the best but I don't know if they would have been issued 30-35 years later.

gmborkovic,
I agree there used to be lots of WW2 and Korean war stuff readily available and cheep in the 60s By gone days for sure.

Terry

 

[Moo Moo]

I'm from Sydney Australia. I'm not sure where you would get one here. Might be worth trying Bryburn Trading Co There's nothing listed on his website but he might know where you can pick one up.

 

[Moo Moo]

Actually, thought of another Sydney disposal shop that has got something similar.

British Pistol Lanyard | Firearm Accessories | Lawrance Ordnance

If there's an issue and he won't send International Post, you're welcome to mail it to me and I'll forward it on to you.

 

[waelkhntr]

Thank You Moo Moo. I will contact him and see what we can do.

Terry

 

[Revolver Rookie]

.38/200

If you need ammo I might still have a couple of boxes I don't need. If this is against the rules please delete.

 

[pawncop]

I do not wish to muddy the waters, but I have a Colt Official Police revolver in 38-200, that I have been told was most likely sent to Australia. It does have the lanyard ring, on the left side is the stamp indicating it went to the Woolwich arsenal and on the right side is the numeral 3 over another set of numbers 1080. The 3 indicates it was sent to the state of Victoria and the 1080 is an internal inventory number. I don't know if S&W revolvers had similar markings or not.

I hope you find this helpful.

 

[us69mc]

Lanyards.

The Lanyard you have would be correct. Thick and clunky yes but Silent in use. Many times, a metal clasp similar to what a referee whistle has was used to attach it to the Revolver. I have seen these clasps in Brass, blackened metal and nickel finish. The Australians also used 38-200 Official Police Colts along with Webley's, Enfield's and their own Enfield Copies. Simple fix would be to acquire a clasp.

 

[Muley Gil]

When I was a young kid, didnt they use to sell this kind of stuff in the town
Sunny Surplus Stores? I remember buying holsters for cap pistols and
winter parkas.

I used to go to the Sunny Surplus store in Glen Burnie MD when I was young. Lots of old stuff cheap!

 

[gunbarrel]

Besides US military blades, I used to collect British, Canadian, Australian, Kiwi & Chindit military blades.I only have one knife left; a rare (because of the blade length) Kiwi knuckle knife. It was a present from a dear friend and I'll never sell it. I also collected Webley revolvers. I only have one left; a Webley No. 2 British Bulldog that was pulled out of reserve and it re-issued to the Australian home guard in WWII. It has the Aussie marks.

Because of that, I still have some British military items left. ***Moderator, please, feel free to edit, or delete this post if I'm breaking any Forum rules. Not trying to sell anything here; this is just background information.***

I'm just going to show you 4 different types of pistol lanyards that were used by the British and Commonweealth troops. There were probably more. Notice the thickness, difference in color, and difference in length. The blue one is RAF, and one of the thinner ones is definitely longer.

 

[ordnanceguy]

Additionally what would the appropriate British .38/200 ammo box look like. Thank You,Terry

Terry:

The WW2 British ammunition for your revolver would be the .380 Mk IIz, as shown below. It comes in several different types of packaging but this is a common variant.

I believe that the Kynoch brand ammunition shown in posts number 2 and 3 above is civilian ammunition, not military.

Hope that helps you.

Regards,
Charlie

 

[gunbarrel]

RAF rig. Notice the blue and the gray colors.

 

[gunbarrel]

Here is another rig

 

[gunbarrel]

I can't remember who was issued these. I know it's not a tanker holster because I had those in my collection at that time.

 

[gunbarrel]

This one is for a large frame revolver like a S&W in .455, or a Webley Mark VI

 

[waelkhntr]

Thanks everyone for the helpful information. I'm hot to the hunt now that I know what I'm hunting for.

I'm open to offers if anyone has an extra lanyard or military ammo box lying around. PM and let me know what you have and how much.

Terry

 

[ferdieguba]

I just want to correct you about lend/lease, Australia paid America in gold bullion so it was a purchase

 

[Doc Thornton]

OP - I have a S&W Victory Model (#V-54764) which is a lend lease revolver in 38 S. & W. CTG which had FTR at Lithgow in 1954. The holster shown is identical to mine and is correct. I also have the P37 ammo pouch and the lanyard which is dark green. The pouch and lanyard are shown on the website mentioned by Mo Mo - Lawrance Ordnance and the lanyard is the one you want. I have a correct style belt but it was made in 1952. All of the pieces of web gear (except lanyard) have the D D broad arrow mark. I have been reloading for this revolver for many years and
the bullets that you will need are available at Matt's Bullets for the 38/200 cartridge.

 

[gunbarrel]

This is from the Australian War Memorial collection. It's a large frame S&W revolver, (almost surely in .455 cal) but I don't think there was much difference betweene the lanyards from WWI and WWII, if any.

Maybe our Digger friends can comment...?

 

[Mk VII]

A lot of the things that are marketed as 'pistol lanyards' are too short and are for other things like whistle or compass. If you can't hold the gun out in a 'stand and deliver' stance without the lanyard strangling you, it isn't a pistol one.

 

[waelkhntr]

Thanks everyone for all the information and education. I have a lanyard on its way, already have an accurate belt & holster. Still looking for a box of British .380inch mk 2z ammo. either a full or empty box will work fine in my display case.

 

[waelkhntr]

Considering adding a AUSTRALIAN RISING SUN Hat BADGE to my display.
Any concerns about the appropriateness of this? Would rather not unknowingly offend anyone.

Terry

 

[Ameshawki]

Walter R.
I agree with the holster which I already have but the British lanyard like yours didn't fit the lanyard ring and was big and clunky. Its almost like the lanyard for the model 1911 and/or model 1917 fits the best but I don't know if they would have been issued 30-35 years later.

gmborkovic,
I agree there used to be lots of WW2 and Korean war stuff readily available and cheep in the 60s By gone days for sure.

Terry

The lanyard is chunky but I got it to fit on mine.