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A friend bought a package off of Gunbroker. It consisted of a Pasadena AutoMag lower, a .357 AutoMag upper, a ,41 AutoMag upper and a .44 AutoMag upper. He brought the pistol out with the .357 AutoMag upper installed. Great gun and seems accurate, grip is thinner than I like (he has some wood grips to try) and the trigger pull is stout. Overall impression is he will have lots of fun with this and the three different calibers.
 

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A friend bought a package off of Gunbroker. It consisted of a Pasadena AutoMag lower, a .357 AutoMag upper, a ,41 AutoMag upper and a .44 AutoMag upper. He brought the pistol out with the .357 AutoMag upper installed. Great gun and seems accurate, grip is thinner than I like (he has some wood grips to try) and the trigger pull is stout. Overall impression is he will have lots of fun with this and the three different calibers.

Yeah, those Pasadena era Automags are the "real deal" built to Harry Sanford’s original design. Very hard to find a complete set in each of the three GENUINE AUTOMAG CHAMBERINGS (357,41, 44 Automag).
Don't fall for the later AMT or IAI “Automags”!
The REAL ones are expensive for a reason!
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Yeah, those Pasadena era Automags are the "real deal" while Harry Sanford was still alive. Very hard to find a complete set in each of the three GENUINE AUTOMAG CHAMBERINGS (357,41, 44 Automag).
Don't fall for the later knock-offs!
The REAL ones are expensive for a reason!

To the other post, sorry, but those other ones (Automag II, III, etc. in 30 carbine, etc) are NOT real Automags.

This was the auction:Just a moment...

39 pictures of the pistol with accessories.

He has several of the .30 Carbine and .22Mag's in the AutoMag II's & III's. Compared to the AutoMag they are toys. The full sized Desert Eagles in .50, .427, .44 and .357 are in the ballpark.
 
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Yeah, those Pasadena era Automags are the "real deal" while Harry Sanford was still alive. Very hard to find a complete set in each of the three GENUINE AUTOMAG CHAMBERINGS (357,41, 44 Automag).
Don't fall for the later knock-offs!
The REAL ones are expensive for a reason!

To the other post, sorry, but those other ones (Automag II, III, etc. in 30 carbine, etc) are NOT real Automags.

Yes, the set is hard to find. I’ve got the Jurras set. Never fired though.
 

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I have a 44 and a 357. The 44 gets all the attention, but the 357 is the more interesting cartridge. I'd love to have a carbine made in 357 AMP.
 
Don't forget the Automag V in .50 caliber A.E. I don't think I want to pull that trigger.
 
Don't forget the Automag V in .50 caliber A.E. I don't think I want to pull that trigger.

No, please forget about the Automag V!

The 80s-90s “Automags” made by AMT and IAI (specifically numbered II, III, IV, and V) are generally amongst the worst of Jam-O-Matic turkeys you could buy at the time! So many guys got burned! The build quality and tolerances were really lax.

They were designed haphazardly to be manufactured and sold at affordable prices to unsuspecting buyers looking to fulfill their cravings created by the “Sudden Impact” Dirty Harry film.
Harry Sanford had a long series of headaches trying to get his original design Auto Mag built by various manufacturers with varying degrees of success.
The demand for original Auto Mags got a huge boost due to the movie, but there was little chance to revive the design, at least for a reasonable retail price. And, originals were skyrocketing in price on the used market.
So, Harry, understandably wanting to cash in, concocted a bunch of new designs that looked the part (sorta) and were cheap to build. The Automag II was a copy of a Ruger mk.II, but built from stainless steel with a long barrel incorporating the iconic Auto Mag barrel rib. But, it was a .22 and people wanted magnum blasters.
So, next were the III (30 carbine), IV (45 Win Mag), and V (50 cal).
It went downhill from there until AMT, then IAI went out of business in the mid-90s.

I never took the plunge for an original, but I was briefly in contact with Harry Sanford’s son. About 20 years ago, he decided to liquidate his Dad’s estate. It took several years, but he sold off everything from rare prototypes of the originals, to partially completed parts sets, to tooling, dies, etc, and also tons of documents.
All of this stuff was pertinent to the original Auto Mag.

The late AMT models were simply not talked about.
 
I have a 44 and a 357. The 44 gets all the attention, but the 357 is the more interesting cartridge. I'd love to have a carbine made in 357 AMP.

Do you reload for the .44 and .357 Auto Mag cartridges?

Some of the best information was written by Kent Lomont and published in Handloader Digest.
These links should work:

AutoMag_Story_pt1.pdf - Google Drive

AutoMag_Story_pt2.pdf - Google Drive

If you have ANY INTEREST in the original Auto Mags, do yourself a favor and read those two articles!
Enjoy!
 
Ive got an Automag V in 50 A.E. and it has NEVER jammed in over 500 rounds.It a joy to shoot,accurate and dependable. Same with my Automag II in 22 magnum..only it has about 1k trouble free rounds. Guess I must be lucky. My friend with his Automag III is as well..he loves his and no problems.
 
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Bought my AMT Hardballer in 1978, has worked fine. From what I have read Harry Sanford's skills as a designer were not matched by any managerial skills.
 
No, please forget about the Automag V!

The 80s-90s “Automags” made by AMT and IAI (specifically numbered II, III, IV, and V) are generally amongst the worst of Jam-O-Matic turkeys you could buy at the time! So many guys got burned! The build quality and tolerances were really lax.

They were designed haphazardly to be manufactured and sold at affordable prices to unsuspecting buyers looking to fulfill their cravings created by the “Sudden Impact” Dirty Harry film.
Harry Sanford had a long series of headaches trying to get his original design Auto Mag built by various manufacturers with varying degrees of success.
The demand for original Auto Mags got a huge boost due to the movie, but there was little chance to revive the design, at least for a reasonable retail price. And, originals were skyrocketing in price on the used market.
So, Harry, understandably wanting to cash in, concocted a bunch of new designs that looked the part (sorta) and were cheap to build. The Automag II was a copy of a Ruger mk.II, but built from stainless steel with a long barrel incorporating the iconic Auto Mag barrel rib. But, it was a .22 and people wanted magnum blasters.
So, next were the III (30 carbine), IV (45 Win Mag), and V (50 cal).
It went downhill from there until AMT, then IAI went out of business in the mid-90s.

I never took the plunge for an original, but I was briefly in contact with Harry Sanford’s son. About 20 years ago, he decided to liquidate his Dad’s estate. It took several years, but he sold off everything from rare prototypes of the originals, to partially completed parts sets, to tooling, dies, etc, and also tons of documents.
All of this stuff was pertinent to the original Auto Mag.

The late AMT models were simply not talked about.


Yep, AMT was the first to offer all-stainless 1911's and I expect their early production pistols were likely their best. When it comes to later production AMT products and definitely those by IAI, if you got a good one, great! If you got a bad one, oh well.
 
Here is an Auto Mag you don't see every day.

A Jurras Custom 200 International sporting an 8 1/2" barrel in 357 AMP. It came with a custom stock/brace and scope mounted in a Lomont scope mount with everything in a high polish finish. The case is a Gun Ho case from the same tine period, mid 1970's.
 

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What a great looking gun! Like the Luger and the P 38 it has an exposed, cool looking barrel, why the heck don’t they make other semi auto guns like that? Instead of the same old boring guns with full length slides that all look the same from 10 feet away.
 
Bought my AMT Hardballer in 1978, has worked fine. From what I have read Harry Sanford's skills as a designer were not matched by any managerial skills.

Yep, AMT was the first to offer all-stainless 1911's and I expect their early production pistols were likely their best. When it comes to later production AMT products and definitely those by IAI, if you got a good one, great! If you got a bad one, oh well.

Back in mid 80's one of my Sgt,'s bought a stainless AMT Hardballer. Nice looking pistol. He could not get it to function properly for love or money. Lubed it with any and all gun oils and gun greases available, nothing worked. Finally he just about dunked it in 30 wt. motor oil and wonder of wonder it run through a whole magazine. Last I heard he was still using motor oil on it and it was still working.
 
Has anyone know where there is some .41 Automag ammo or cases? My friend reloads for .44 &.357 Automag. But the .41 Automag is rather elusive to say the least. He will try to either neck down a ,44 case or expand a .357 case to make his own. Once he has the .41's that will function, he can get dies made. Any one got the .41 Automag dies laying around?
 

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