Behavior of my new S&W 1911 e series 45 acp

Paul Bernard

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I have 350 rounds through it. I love shooting it. (6 weeks old). But! I have questions. this is my first 1911. Revolvers have been my thing. I noticed I am not able to insert a loaded mag that came with the gun, (8 round) into the grip when the slide is forward. If I rack the slide open, the mag clicks in nicely. Is that normal? Is it called limp wristing? and does that exist. The gun acted strange the first 200 rounds. A few failures to chamber, I would manually rack the slide then all was well. Ejection has been perfect every time. 3 or 4 times the first round did not chamber. Is their a break in period. I'm learning Guys. I do believe I did not have a very good grip on the gun. I also purchased a Wilson Combat 47D 8 round. Used it today but after the last round is fired, the slide does not rack open with the Wilson. Today I adjusted my grip, went back to the mags that came with the gun, and the last 48 rounds were perfect. No jams in the mag that did not chamber, last round fired caused the slide to nicely rack and stay open etc. So I guess limp wristed and break in is what Im asking about. Using American Eagle by Federal, 230 gr. FMJ. I hope I'm out of the woods. Are these problems normal with 1911 when new. I wonder if I caused them or not. I guess time will tell. Your comments would be appreciated. Thanks Guys
 
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I recommend a good cleaning and run it wet for 500 rounds. The mags probably just need to take a set. Try with just 7 rounds. When not shooting leave the mags full with 8 rounds for about a week. I'm betting it just needs some breaking in.
 
Yes, a firm grip is essential to ensure that all of the recoil energy goes into the slide to make it function well. I have seen more than a few revolver (especially "cowboy action" shooter guys) "limp wrist" when starting to use autos.

Advice to ensure the gun is clean and lubed as icemn stated above is good.

The Wilson 47D magazines are excellent, and have been my choice for the past 20+ years. They may need to be used a bit to break them in, but probably not. If there is a continued problem with getting the slide to lock open after the last round with the Wilsons there may be something just a bit off about the slide stop.

So is a "break in period" normal for 1911's? As an owner and dedicated shooter of 9 Colt and Kimber 1911 pistols in 3-, 4- and 5-inch lengths and three calibers I have to sigh and say that yes, it is normal. It's not always clear whether it's the shooter or the gun that 's being broken in though. How much to lube, how best to grip, what magazines work best, what handload to use for practice, what sights, trigger and other parts to use or leave stock are all issues for 1911s. IIt's part of the journey.

Everybody but Glock makes a 1911, and there are far more makers of parts and "upgrades" than there are gun makers, so not everything is going to be 100% interchangable. To be reliable, 1911's need skilled hand work in assembly, then they have to be tested. This costs time and money, which is why Wilsons, Browns, Nighthawks etc. are pricey. It isn't just their cosmetics.

The Glock costs about $80 to make (according to the recent book Glock, which is worth a read) because modern manufacturing,materials and brilliant design concepts on the part of Gaston Glock allow it. They don't need the hand work that the 1911 does.

So the 1911 is for the enthusiast and serious pistolero who is willing to put in the time (or money) to get the gun right. Once that has been achieved it's easy to see why the 1911 remains the benchmark against which all others are compared.

Enjoy the journey and stay safe.
 
Limp wrist is when you don't have a firm hold while shooting and as the slide comes back to rechameber the next round the frame moves back (in your hand) a little too thus not allowing the slide to come back all the way and cause feeding issues. It takes very little movement for the frame and not something you would notice unless it very severe. The few failures to chamber could be slight limp wristing or just the gun wearing in

What you have is simply stiff springs in the mag. They will loosen up a bit with use and you should be fine to insert the loaded mag on a closed slide
 
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Behavior of my S&W 1911

Thank You to all of you for your great replys. I KEPT HAVING THESE PROBLEMS so I contacted S&W and they said to return the gun and they would go over it. HARD DECISION !!! BUT, I did it. Glad I did. They replaced a few parts, polished a few areas, and I got it back and WOW ! It is now perfect. Last week I put 150 rounds through it on the range and it was flawless. They also sent me a Chip McCormick 10 round Mag (for the inconvenience) that performed perfectly. Smith & Wesson is a class act. 25 of those 150 rounds were Hornady hollow points and performed with no problems. I am so happy what they did for me. The two mags that came with the 1911, the Wilson Combat that I purchased, and the Chip McCormick 10 mag was flawless. I am one happy camper.
 
That's good to hear.

My SW1911TA had a few teething issues but that got resolved pretty quickly and now it's great. I put in a Wilson GI guide rod setup and Wolff 17lb recoil spring, only use Wilson ETM-HD+P Mags or 7rounders, replaced the safety with a Wilson Bullet-proof single side, replaced the slide stop with a 10-8 part, and added some VZ grips. The pistol had some intermittent feeding problems initially which were significantly reduced with the 17lb recoil spring, and then eliminated after I traced the remaining issue to the mags, but occasionally the slide-stop would run under the follower of the Chip McCormick Power-Mags, failing to lock the slide back and making it difficult to remove the mag. After adding the 10-8 slide stop and using the above magazines I've never had another malfunction. It's probably been 3,000 or so rounds since I completed the work. The other mods (grips, safety, GI guide rod, etc.) were done for personal preference and not a specific "problem").
 
Paul, your experience of sending the gun to S&W and then finding that the problems went away says it all, for me. I claim no expertise, only lots of experience.
My experience with magazines has been that they work or they don't. If they don't, i never spent the time, money and energy to try to get them to work. Take 'em apart for parts or pitch 'em. Worked every time.

Again, my narrow range of experience: break-in used to be necessary for new guns (30 years ago and more), or anything that was custom or modified. More important for target shooters than defensive shooters. For off-the-shelf guns, if it wasn't "broken in" by 200 rounds (50 being more like it), back to the armorer or manufacturer. Any semi-auto that choked on more than one magazine always meant a gun problem, so back to the armorer or MFR. I was taught that any gun to be used for defense should be fired with the ammo expected to be used until the user feels it is reliable and accurate. No number specified, but I stand by the 50/200 rule, above.

Limp wristing. I've seen people who experience jam after jam with a gun that everyone else had no trouble with.
An armorer showed me a valuable lesson I have used many times since. It doesn't answer any questions, but, in my opinion (and that of the armorer) it tosses any explanation for LW out the window.
He took a bone stock Colt Series 70 and put two rounds in the mag. He chambered one. Then he turned the gun over in his hand, using his little finger to pull the trigger with his thumb holding the grip safety, and his fore- and middle-finger on the front of the grip. No gun he ever tried that with failed to chamber the second round. He tried it with my well-worn military-issue Colt 1911A1 and battered, soft-sprung magazines, with the same results.

I've done it countless times since, often with a gun the shooter was allegedly "limp wristing." I'd take the jammed gun from him, reload the magazine if necessary, chamber a round and shoot strong and weak hand. Never saw a sound gun fail to chamber the next round even when I held it very loosely.

One guy came to me with his shiny new Beretta 92, a gun he bought because it was identical to the M9 he was issued in his active-duty post. It would jam for him at least once in every 10 - 15 rounds. A little more than once per magazine. I did the same thing with it. No jams. I handed him my Glock 17, a gun that had never hiccuped for me. He experienced jams right off the bat.

Meaning absolutely nothing, I have come to classify this the same way I learned to classify people who might get airsick. Some will be fine even if the plane flip-flops and cuts di-does all day, and others get sick while standing in a moderate breeze.

I don't know what "limp wristing" is, but it seems to me that a person either has this undefinable problem, or does not.
 
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Sometimes a production gun has an issue.

I love my 1911TA! The trigger is fantastic and by far the best I have ever had on any 1911.

It was flawless from new. It's nice to hear that Smith and Wesson took good care of you. Customer service should be a primary concern.

Well.....enjoy her and shoot her!

 
1911 behavior update...........

Well I was on the range two days ago with my 1911 and I had a super time. Another 125 rounds, Flawless. A wonderful gun to shoot.
 
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