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For the second time in two years, I have been asked to provide a BOS for a firearm I previously owned. I declined both times, as I did not sell these firearms to either party. The first one was on it's fifth owner since I parted with it, though still in the same extended family. The second pistol was traded to a NC gun shop three years ago and was on it's second owner since then.

I do not feel responsible for other folk's failures.
 
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ColbyBruce said:
For the second time in two years, I have been asked to provide a BOS for a firearm I previously owned. I declined both times, as I did not sell these firearms to either party. The first one was on it's fifth owner since I parted with it, though still in the same extended family. The second pistol was traded to a NC gun shop three years ago and was on it's second owner since then.

I do not feel responsible for other folk's failures.
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Curious as to how they tracked you back.

Over the years I have sold a bunch of long guns (private sales) and If asked I will give a BOS.(never had any situations like you said in your post) For my own records I always note who I sold to, when sold and if I do not know them well I normally get the license number of the car. With that said most sales were to people I know well (mostly from my gun club) I only sold a couple guns through newspaper ads and the buyer had to pass my own self imposed sniff test, I did refuse to sell to a couple people for reasons.
 
"Curious as to how they tracked you back."

In the first instance the pistol wound up with a family member of the woman I sold the gun to. The second time, this past week, I can only speculate that a former employee of the NC shop remembered me trading it, as he was a retired USPS employee and we used to talk about work. The NC shop has been closed about two years now.
 
Ever been asked for a bill of sale one a gun in your possession by law enforcement?

I haven't, but I know a couple of people who were asked to prove that guns they were carrying were purchased legally.

I thought that was damned strange.
 
shouldazagged said:
Ever been asked for a bill of sale one a gun in your possession by law enforcement?

I haven't, but I know a couple of people who were asked to prove that guns they were carrying were purchased legally.

I thought that was damned strange.
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My response: "Prove they weren't . . . "
 
shouldazagged said:
Ever been asked for a bill of sale one a gun in your possession by law enforcement?

I haven't, but I know a couple of people who were asked to prove that guns they were carrying were purchased legally.

I thought that was damned strange.
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Yes many years back. We were tenting in a campsite only a 1/2 hour drive from Canada. That campsite was only a couple miles down the road from a very nice skeet range. I was shooting NSSA at the time and heard a lot about the club so I brought my 1100 28G skeet gun.

We decided to got to Canada and I did not want to leave the little 1100 in the tent so I put it in the tool box that rode behind the cab in the box. We hit Canada and I asked the official if it was OK to bring the gun in, he smiled and said sure as long as you not plan any robberies or killings. So we went to Canada and in fact visited the old worlds fair site, I think that site was called something like Man And His World ( I said it was a long time ago:D)

No problem leaving Canada and when we hit the US the BP agent asked in any guns were in vehicle. He then informed me that if I could not prove the gun was in fact purchased in the US I had two choices. Pay the duty and then get my money back months later or let them take the gun until I sent proof. He further told me that the accepted procedure was to stop at the US side and do paperwork.:eek:

By chance for some reason when I bought this new gun I put the paper work in the glove compartment and forgot about it rather than putting in my file cabinet in my office.. He looked at the paper and let us go through.
 
I always make out a BOS when selling to a private party since the gun can be traced back to me. Here is a form I have used for past gun sales:


Buyer_____________________ Date_______
Name_______________________________
Address______________________________
City_________________________________
Driver's License_______________________
Signature_____________________________
Weapon
Make____________________SN__________
Model_________________Barrel__________
Price__________
Seller
Name_________________________________
Address________________________________
City___________________________________
Driver's License__________________________
Signature_______________________________

I keep a copy for my records and the buyer gets a copy.
 
I always get a bill of sale(receipt) when buying a Firearm from a private citizen and I always give one when selling a Firearm.
Say for the sake of argument the Police have reason to check the Firearm out and it comes back as stolen or even a murder weapon,How could You prove You did not own the Gun at the time of the crime? Sure You could say You bought it from John Q Public but if He denies it You are in some deep legal trouble without a receipt to show when and from who the firearm was purchased.
 
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Yes, I had to prove that I owned this Glock 31 to the LE agency that recovered it after it was stolen from our home on 2/23/11. I got it back 4/08/15. We all learned something from this experience. I learned patience, to keep on people until they cry at the sound of your voice, and to never give up. They learned I would not stop until I recovered my property, that I would not be stolen from twice, and to be accountable for their actions.

In all fairness, the property room guys, lead detective, and a few of the ADA's went above and beyond to help me out.
 
Wow I'm glad I live in the free state of Arizona, there is no such thing as a BOS in a private party sale. I traded in a gun in January 3 days later I get a call from a detective, the gun I trade in came up stolen. I said I bought it 5 years prior from a guy who happened to work at a lgs. The store didn't have what I was looking for but he had one that was for sale. So we went across the street I bought it and went on my way. The detective said thank you and have a good day. I don't think the guy I bought it from knew it was stolen either, the detective said it was stolen in Texas. It amazes me that our gun rights have been so trampled on, do you get a BOS for everything you sell nope. I'm thankful I live in Arizona, I couldn't imagine the hoops people go through in other states........
 
I did not get a CC before I retired and moved from Mo to KS. Then Ks opened CC up to all honest citizens no permit required.

But; In STL gun shops I heard them tel folks who bought a handgun a BOS in the vehicle was required for handguns after CC passed. They told folks to make a copy and carry it with the gun/car and keep the original secured.

Don't know if this is or was the law there. But I kept a BOS for all handguns. Just not in the car.

If I was asked is this my handgun I'd say yep, you can run the SN and if it's a hit I'll tell you where I bought it.

Legally buying a gun anywhere does not come with a guarantee that it is not stolen. You are checked but the only question is it a long or short gun, a SN check does not happen. That would be gun registration.

Stolen gun SN's are listed if the owner wrote them down. In days past when folks in MO bought a handgun a permit was obtained from the Sheriffs office that the dealer filled out and returned to LE. It had the make, model and SN on it, defacto gun registration.

With all the craziness going on I know of 2 gun shops in KS that call local LE's to check the SN on every trade in. They do not want a stolen gun in the house.

Speaking of craziness I would get a bill of sale or the sellers info on anything today.
 
According to this web page about the NCICs database, National Crime Information Center (NCIC) - FBI Information Systems, when a gun is stolen and the owner provides investigating law enforcement with a SN for it, that SN gets entered into the NCICs database of stolen guns.
Apparently the same is also true for stolen license plates and plates of vehicles used in commission of felonies...
 
Indiana says that a person selling a firearm to another individual is required to see the purchasers valid DL and not knowingly sell a firearm to someone ineligible to own one. That's it. March or so of this year I got a visit from The Indiana State Police/ATF Task Force. It seems in the last 20 years six firearms I've sold or traded have wound up in Chicago. That ****hole city and its ****head residents reach out in everyway to make life miserable for people in NW Indiana and the civilized parts of Illinois.
 
JcMack said:
Indiana says that a person selling a firearm to another individual is required to see the purchasers valid DL and not knowingly sell a firearm to someone ineligible to own one. That's it. March or so of this year I got a visit from The Indiana State Police/ATF Task Force. It seems in the last 20 years six firearms I've sold or traded have wound up in Chicago. That ****hole city and its ****head residents reach out in everyway to make life miserable for people in NW Indiana and the civilized parts of Illinois.
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Wow! SIX times. That seems like a lot - even over a 20 year period.
You must either sell a lot of guns or have really bad luck.
I pity you for living so close to that cesspool. And to think that a little over 10 years ago I actually considered moving there for my job. That was before I knew much about the place. Thankfully it fell through, so the good Lord was looking out for me (as he does for children, drunks, and fools - you guess which applies ;) )
 
In Missouri, having a good bill of sale, showing the seller's name/address driver's license#, all legible & their signature and the gun's serial #, make, model, caliber will show the prosecutor that you did due diligence in not buying a stolen firearm...

Having a smart alec/billigerent attitude & saying you didn't have to get one, will in all likelihood get you charged with being in possession of a stolen goods....a felony which is very easy to prove...
 
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