Bluing (Carbonia etc)

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At some point soon I’ll be visiting Scottie’s Gun Works.
I’d asked him about bluing techniques and he said he’d show me how to do it.
I like the idea of a project.
I read on a post here that someone said they blued the barrel of a 25-2 and it matched the original frame finish.
Was that any of you guys?
I’m looking for the closest old SW recipe and method and wanting to pick up any info I can about it.
Maybe on a project gun or one I already have that is t pristine.
I’m not to worried about ruining the value of a 27-2 gun I paid $700 for if it comes down to it,
Maybe I’ll devalue it by $200? No big deal especially if it comes out looking better.
It’s about the project and the learning.

Any info would be great.
Mostly looking for recipe and temp I guess.

The prep and polishing seems to be key

Thanks
 
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It has been said, "Any fool can blue a gun!

You said "The prep and polishing seems to be key."

Polishing IS the key!! Prep is perhaps a meaningless word---and if it isn't meaningless, then it's ambiguous.

Let's think of prep as keeping everything squeaky CLEAN!! Bluing is a process of "controlled corrosion". Another name for bluing is black oxide. That which is controlled is primarily time and temperature---the amount of time exposed to corrosive agents (bluing salts) and the temperature to be maintained. This being applicable to "hot tank" bluing----as practiced by damn near any and all (and any other process with heat involved)---and requires special equipment. Processes requiring little more than patience and elbow grease come under the heading of "rust bluing"------a favorite of the do-it-yourselfers.


Polishing is the name of the game! Perfection is required. S&W uses/used (??) formed hard leather polishing wheels---formed to match the many and varied surfaces of the gun-----and they use/used them to perfection---absolute perfection. You can achieve the same level of perfection polishing by hand. It ain't easy! It takes A LOT of time. There are NO substitutes!

Your alternative is to find (FIND!!) and pay someone to do it for you. Finding that someone is a terrifying responsibility, because like I said, "Any fool can blue a gun!" I've had exactly two guns refinished. There was NOTHING terrifying about it because the factory did both of them. That was then, and now is a whole different ballgame!!

S&W used to believe they would be successful if they built the best possible product for the price. They did that, and it worked---for the first hundred years. Then they got the idea they could be as or more successful if they built the product at the lowest possible cost. Now, coming up on seventy some odd years after the first hundred, they're still trying to make that work----yet another terrifying thing.

Ralph Tremaine

A thought---about a short-cut---that works---if you find you're happy with the finished product----"bead blasting" instead of polishing. Bead blasting is a surface treatment accomplished by subjecting the surface to be blued---or plated to media delivered by high pressure compressed air. You end up with a matte finish instead of a high gloss finish. "Glass beads are likely the favorite media, but there are others---including sand---and crushed walnut shells, of all things. The proper, consistent delivery is accomplished by control/selection of the media, the line pressure, the distance from the work piece and the angle of attack. Do it, or have it done by someone who knows what they're doing (and does it)! I have used glass bead peening to clean engine parts from my race cars. That's pretty much of a no brainier because your goal is simply the absence of crud. What you learn along the way is you can control the appearance of the finished product by controlling the variables noted above. It's A BUNCH faster than polishing-----but the finished product is entirely different---but can be quite pleasing. I had a Colt Government Model transformed into the "Master Grade" conversion by Wilson Combat. It was a "Pinto" finish---blued slide/plated frame, both prepared by bead blasting---by EXPERTS. It was a gorgeous gun!
 
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Thank you for the detailed response, Ralph. Much appreciated.
I think that for me, at least, the DIY aspect of owning these items is all part of the hobby.
Maybe at some point I’d like to get a fixer upper. Maybe a gun that is not in great shape, but I can get spare parts, or maybe I already have spare parts, and I can polish the heck out of it and get it to his new, looking as possible..
I’m certainly not expecting perfection by any means, as that does not happen first time for anything. Great refinish guys Such as Doug Turnbull would have taken years to get good at it.
With this said, he has to know an awful lot about a lot of different firearms. I only need to know about Smith revolvers as They are all I’m really interested in.

I’d like to see what I can do with this stuff. Maybe I will polish and prep, and just take it to my local guy who can drop it in his tank While he has another batch going.

Also like to be able to do my own trigger jobs and a little fitting here in there as necessary.

Make an old one newish and at least do the best I can.
Polishing wheels are not too expensive.
It’ll be a fun project.

I think maybe me taking it to my local guy And dropping it in his tank Would be a better option for me to buy all that stuff and just use it two or three times if that.
The cost of javing a gun refinished, it seems is in all the prep work, which I am willing to do myself and looking forward to.
I can’t imagine I would get charged much just to drop it in the tank, but the process is what I find interesting.
 
Factory Bead Blast Blue

This 19-5 was shipped to The State Department, Security Detail, Feb.2, 1987. I think it is a very hansom finish, though I'm not sure it would be any easier to achieve than a high polish blue.
 

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