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By now it has been established that the introduction of the S&W Bodyguard 2.0 in .380 acp has been fraught with some issues. Some of these remain difficult to deal with while others have a solution. Hopefully, in this thread, I will be able to clarify some of the problems and present some potential solutions.

1. Sights (Part 1)

It has been well-established, here in this Forum as well as numerous videos uploaded to YouTube, that the BG 2.0 has a penchant for shooting to the left. While this issue is not universal, it has been reported widely necessitating some intervention.

Out of the box, my BG 2.0 definitely shot to the left, and I had several range-friends shoot several magazines each and they had the same result. As I said previously in another post, I took the gun to a qualified gunsmith who confirmed that the sights were indeed off and to the left, and he quickly centered both the front and rear sights for me. That is solution # 1.

Solution 2 (Part 2) is a bit more complicated. There are several talented shooters at my range and I consulted with both as to the accuracy of the BG 2.0 after the sights were drifted. The told me there was still a tendency for the gun to be somewhat inaccurate, as the rear notch is so wide that the shooter must be cognizant of where the front is exactly when shooting at a bullseye target or a silhouette. To be sure, after putting 200 more rounds through the BG 2.0 the sights were right on when the front sight was positioned exactly in the middle of the wide rear sight. My conclusion is that the current rear sight is clearly too wide to render the sight picture easily found. In other words, Solution 2 here is that the rear sight must be exchanged with a different one with a more narrow channel through which there is, like every other M&P pistol, an easier sight picture gained.

Not that I have proof that S&W was attempting to copy the Ruger LCP Max, but the wide, U-shaped rear sight currently on the BG 2.0 mimics the one used on the LCP Max. As I now own both, I note that the front sight on the LCP Max is wider and takes full advantage of its U-shaped rear companion. In other words, they are of equal size and literally are made to go together, while in my opinion, the current sights on the BG 2.0 are not.

When they are commercially available, and I wish they were right now, I will be replacing that rear sight with a more appropriate one as per the above.

2. Recoil Spring

There have also been numerous complaints on this Forum and, again, in videos on YouTube, about the lack of "play" in the recoil spring and subsequent issues with the guide rod. I, too, experienced significant difficulties with the recoil spring, until I took a very close look at it and found that on the muzzle end, where the spring ends, there is sometimes a tendency for that end piece of spring to "ride up" and place itself on the guide rod cap. If this is the case, by observation, there is a rather simple solution, even though the question remains as to why we must deal with this issue and not Smith & Wesson itself. Nevertheless, the Solution here is simple. If you find that your recoil spring will not easily fit back into the notch in the barrel, check where the front of the spring is and, if it needs to be moved back under the cap, take a small tool and do it. The recoil spring will respond as it should and you will easily be able to re-install the recoil spring as it should be within the barrel and slide.

Perhaps I am repeating what some of you have already figured out, and this post is dedicated to the frustrated who have, perhaps, turned sour on this interesting, accurate, and cool little firearm whose size may be of added benefit to us as concealed carriers.

3. Magazine Springs

The magazine springs are indeed extremely hard to load after about the 7th round. I routinely hear that the 10th or 12th round is almost impossible. I have kept each 10 round magazine I own full for the 5 days between range trips but I am convinced that my using the Uplula Magazine loader I own is easier on my aging thumbs than the strength required to load 10 rounds into the magazine. As an aside, both magazines lock back after the last round.

Lastly, I have no comment on parts such as ejectors that fall out. That hasn't happened to me and I hope it never will. By the way, my BG 2.0 has already had 400 rounds through it without a single failure-to-feed, stovepipe, or any other hiccup. It eats any kind of ammo I feed it (round-nose, flat-nose, hollow-points, etc.) with ease and I will follow the manufacturers directions and not use +P ammo in it.

Of course, YMMV.

Comments appreciated. Hope this was of help or interest.

Best to all -

Rich
 
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A possible solution to the recoil spring issue.

I have been using the same method of pushing the spring back over the cap or flange .

I requested and received a replacement but it was worse than my original . Because it was an extra I thought I would experiment a little .

Trying to figure why it would not compress when pushed into the slide on assembly with the spring over the flange. If you look at the spring in this position the front coil is pushed out farther than the others. I feel this causes binding in the hole in the slide.

So on my replacement spring since I had nothing to lose I took a flat file and gently removed some material from the outside of the first coil. Starting at the end of the coil a couple of strokes at a time .

A couple of passes and tried it in the slide . Then a couple more and tried . I removed very little material and from the end of the first coil only and it goes right in the slide.

I am not recommending anyone do this , just telling what I tried on a spare I had. It seems to work fine so far
 
Flat point rounds

Good to hear they are feeding Flat point 380acp because I have seen some reviews where that was causing problems and thats my preference.

Just got my BG2.0 and have been trying various types of ammo. I’m very happy to see it’s not picky at all so far. I’m particularly happy to see it shoots my SWC cast bullets, because it really helps keep the cost down for practice. Dang .380 is pretty pricey!
 

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Mine has fed flawlessly for a few hundred rounds. Blazer Brass, Magtech, Sierra HP, and a box or so of "ends" of 380 HP ammo i had left over of various manufactures. I had one dud cartridge out of that batch of "ends" but I have no idea how old that round was, or who made it. It ended up in the dud can at the range.

At first I used to fight the slide. It's small and hard for my arthritic old hands to get a grip on, but time and rounds downrange have helped. Either it got better, or I got stronger. No issues with that now. Mags are still hard to load, but not as bad as at first, but that's why they make mag loaders.

The first time I field stripped it, I was so glad I had read about the problem with the recoil spring on here first. That thing was like a solid rod trying to get it back. Then I remembered a post on here, probably DrRich talking about using a tool to get the spring back where it belonged. Sure enough that worked and I haven't worried about it again.

I shot REALLY low left at first. I realized this gun takes a firm grip. If not given a firm grip, it's so light and small it will twist around in my hand. Not much, but just enough. I think it may be just a little too small for me, so I've ordered a Talon grip for it. If nothing else, it was inexpensive.

One of my favorite aids is a laser cartridge. Fits into the chamber for dry fire practice and shoots a burst of laser light when dry fired and that gives me an idea if I'm doing something wrong. And the first thing it did for me was told me there was nothing wrong with the sights themselves. (Drat. I was hoping I could blame the gun) That laser dot hit right where the sights were looking. IF I was off, the dot was off. At the range with live fire I found the same to be true. A good firm grip, and careful alignment of the sights resulted in holes in the target at least closer to where they were supposed to be. I even had a few high right. If I'm shooting poorly, it ain't the gun.
 
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I never had an issue reassembling the gun after a couple times but mine shot consistently left about 2-3 inches at 7-10 yards. The rear sight was off center to the left very easy to see. I drifted the rear sight over with a brass punch and it's pretty close now. certainly close enough for what this gun was intended for. I'm not worried about 25 yard accuracy.
 
By now it has been established that the introduction of the S&W Bodyguard 2.0 in .380 acp has been fraught with some issues. Some of these remain difficult to deal with while others have a solution. Hopefully, in this thread, I will be able to clarify some of the problems and present some potential solutions.

1. Sights (Part 1)

It has been well-established, here in this Forum as well as numerous videos uploaded to YouTube, that the BG 2.0 has a penchant for shooting to the left. While this issue is not universal, it has been reported widely necessitating some intervention.

Out of the box, my BG 2.0 definitely shot to the left, and I had several range-friends shoot several magazines each and they had the same result. As I said previously in another post, I took the gun to a qualified gunsmith who confirmed that the sights were indeed off and to the left, and he quickly centered both the front and rear sights for me. That is solution # 1.

Solution 2 (Part 2) is a bit more complicated. There are several talented shooters at my range and I consulted with both as to the accuracy of the BG 2.0 after the sights were drifted. The told me there was still a tendency for the gun to be somewhat inaccurate, as the rear notch is so wide that the shooter must be cognizant of where the front is exactly when shooting at a bullseye target or a silhouette. To be sure, after putting 200 more rounds through the BG 2.0 the sights were right on when the front sight was positioned exactly in the middle of the wide rear sight. My conclusion is that the current rear sight is clearly too wide to render the sight picture easily found. In other words, Solution 2 here is that the rear sight must be exchanged with a different one with a more narrow channel through which there is, like every other M&P pistol, an easier sight picture gained.

Not that I have proof that S&W was attempting to copy the Ruger LCP Max, but the wide, U-shaped rear sight currently on the BG 2.0 mimics the one used on the LCP Max. As I now own both, I note that the front sight on the LCP Max is wider and takes full advantage of its U-shaped rear companion. In other words, they are of equal size and literally are made to go together, while in my opinion, the current sights on the BG 2.0 are not.

When they are commercially available, and I wish they were right now, I will be replacing that rear sight with a more appropriate one as per the above.

2. Recoil Spring

There have also been numerous complaints on this Forum and, again, in videos on YouTube, about the lack of "play" in the recoil spring and subsequent issues with the guide rod. I, too, experienced significant difficulties with the recoil spring, until I took a very close look at it and found that on the muzzle end, where the spring ends, there is sometimes a tendency for that end piece of spring to "ride up" and place itself on the guide rod cap. If this is the case, by observation, there is a rather simple solution, even though the question remains as to why we must deal with this issue and not Smith & Wesson itself. Nevertheless, the Solution here is simple. If you find that your recoil spring will not easily fit back into the notch in the barrel, check where the front of the spring is and, if it needs to be moved back under the cap, take a small tool and do it. The recoil spring will respond as it should and you will easily be able to re-install the recoil spring as it should be within the barrel and slide.

Perhaps I am repeating what some of you have already figured out, and this post is dedicated to the frustrated who have, perhaps, turned sour on this interesting, accurate, and cool little firearm whose size may be of added benefit to us as concealed carriers.

3. Magazine Springs

The magazine springs are indeed extremely hard to load after about the 7th round. I routinely hear that the 10th or 12th round is almost impossible. I have kept each 10 round magazine I own full for the 5 days between range trips but I am convinced that my using the Uplula Magazine loader I own is easier on my aging thumbs than the strength required to load 10 rounds into the magazine. As an aside, both magazines lock back after the last round.

Lastly, I have no comment on parts such as ejectors that fall out. That hasn't happened to me and I hope it never will. By the way, my BG 2.0 has already had 400 rounds through it without a single failure-to-feed, stovepipe, or any other hiccup. It eats any kind of ammo I feed it (round-nose, flat-nose, hollow-points, etc.) with ease and I will follow the manufacturers directions and not use +P ammo in it.

Of course, YMMV.

Comments appreciated. Hope this was of help or interest.

Best to all -

Rich

The difficul magazine loading can be fixed by clipping off one or more coils from the magazine spring.
 
The wide-U rear sights are for quick combat shooting under 7 yards range.
Pie Plate accuracy is acceptable at that range however speed is crucial.
Front sight needs painted bright red or orange for this to work.

25 yards with this gun? I love it! What size group do you expect?

Kind Regards,
BrianD
 
Bodyguard 2.0 feeding issue

Did the cleaning and even ramp polish (barrel ramp did not have the ridge that some report ). FMJ flat nose, FMJ ball,FTX,XTP, feed fine. Federal HST, Speer gold dot would not feed at a rate of about 1 in 25.

What is odd is where they are hanging up. They appear not to leave the magazine and are getting caught at the bottom edge of the frame’s feed ramp. Made sure the mags are fully inserted, and feed issue is always with a fully loaded mag during reload. Wondering if the issue is with the magazines being sprung too strong.

Spent hours using a mag loader to compress and release the springs to break them in, to the point where the 10 and 12 round mags can be fully loaded easily with the uplula.

Any ideas?
 
Did the cleaning and even ramp polish (barrel ramp did not have the ridge that some report ). FMJ flat nose, FMJ ball,FTX,XTP, feed fine. Federal HST, Speer gold dot would not feed at a rate of about 1 in 25.

What is odd is where they are hanging up. They appear not to leave the magazine and are getting caught at the bottom edge of the frame’s feed ramp. Made sure the mags are fully inserted, and feed issue is always with a fully loaded mag during reload. Wondering if the issue is with the magazines being sprung too strong.

Spent hours using a mag loader to compress and release the springs to break them in, to the point where the 10 and 12 round mags can be fully loaded easily with the uplula.

Any ideas?
First off, are you having the same troubles with both magazines? If so, I might be tempted to play with one of mags doing some mild bending on the lips, so the rounds sit just a smidgen higher. If the lips are plastic, you can do something similar with a rat tail or small file. WARNING: you can screw up a mag by doing this, so play at your own risk! Still, it might work. Just go very slowly if you chose to try this.
 
BG 2.0 FTF issue

My Bodyguard 380 2.0 feeds everything so far, many jhp's and fmj's, including fmj flat nose. But it won't feed Federal HydraShok DEEP! Gets caught in gap between the frames feed ramp and the barrels feed ramp. That's a bummer since that's my favorite carry ammo. I've cleaned the pistol thoroughly Any ideas on how to get this pistol to feed the HydraShok Deep?
 
I have shot almost every kind of ammo through my BG 2.0, including the Federal HydraShock Deep. No FTF, no stovepipes, nothing but 100% performance.

I will tell you that I unknowingly loaded a 9mm round into a mag and then it stopped at the gap. When I took it out I realized what had happened.

I have the habit of polishing my barrel ramps with "Blue Magic" so they lose the dark color and look stainless. It smooths up the entire cycle, I guess, because a little (very little) material is removed in the polishing. YMMV.
 
“What is odd is where they are hanging up. They appear not to leave the magazine and are getting caught at the bottom edge of the frame’s feed ramp. “

I have about 200 rounds through mine so far and it has been flawlessly feeding every type of ammo including cast and pc RF lead bullets. Then yesterday I had the same issue with a round getting stuck coming out of the 13 round mag. It worked fine when I removed the first of the 13. It was like it was too tight to feed. I can say this…I sure wouldn’t want to get into a thumb wrestling match with anybody that can load that 13-round mag without using a Uplula loader!
 
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The difficul magazine loading can be fixed by clipping off one or more coils from the magazine spring.

Don’t do this. The gun was designed to use the spring tension chosen by engineers. Clipping coils off the spring will induce feed problems - maybe not right away, but later, after the mag springs take a set.

Do any of you folks think you know more about this particular gun than the people who designed and tested it?
 
I clipped the front tabs off of the follower which eliminated the loading issue. I polished the feed ramp bumps off which eliminated the feeding issues and I replaced the sights to a set more to my liking. The gun is now much better for me than it was before.
 
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