BUG Winning Combination

BobR1

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A fellow on another Forum has a BUG Match coming up, and wanted advice on what he needed to do well in the match.
The requirements for BUG was a barrel with a Maximum length of 2.25 Inches, or Shorter.
Ammunition capacity can be either 5 or 6 shots. Apparently the 5 shot J frames were compensated for the lack of the 6th shot. (Note: In our BUG Division we simply score the 6th shot not available as a No Points Down Shot)

In our Club Defensive Pistol Match we have a BUG Division. The BUG Guns shoot on the same course of fire as everyone else. This gives me a different outlook on what works in a BUG Match.

With a 6 shot revolver being legal, and 2.25 Maximum Barrel length. This will let some very shootable equipment be available for use. Below is my advice as a BUG shooter.

Revolver: S&W Model 10, 12, 13, 15, 64, and 65. Of those listed a 2" Model 10, 64, or 65 should be the easiest to locate.

Holster Choices: My recomendation is an open top pancake with the trigger guard covered. A great example of this is a Lobo Model 1 Pancake, or Enhanced Pancake.

Speed Loaders: The K Frame Smith & Wesson has two very good choices available, the Safariland Comp III, and the Jet Loader. The Jet Loader is more expensive, and considered my most SSR shooters to be the better loader of the two. I have 2 Jet Loaders in the J Frame size. They do seem to cock a little more positive. I also have 10 of the K Frame size Comp III's, and they have worked fine for me. I have never tryed both side by side however. My Advice is if you are only going to buy a couple get the Jet Loaders.

Speed Loader Pouches: You will want a Kydex Speed Loader Pouch! You have some choices, BladeTech, North Mountain, I make the Big Creek which is the lowest cost one.

Ammunition: The fixed sight revolvers will be regulated for 158 grain bullets. Use Round Nose to speed up reloading.

Reloading Ammunition: Again 158 grain Round Nose Bullets. I shoot lead round nose myself. Federal are the prefered primers for tuned revolvers. They are reported to be the easiest to ignite. Powder I have tryed some different ones. I am back around to Unique again. If you are shooting any reactive steel targets I would go with 5.0 grains. If you are only perferating cardboard you can go lighter. Unique gets dirtier with light loads. A better powder choice might be AA#5.

Home Revolver Work: Put some Wolfe Springs in it. I recommend getting a Ribbed Hammer Spring in both Full and Reduced power, and trying both. I have 13 pound Rebound Springs in most of my revolvers. Clean all the internal parts and lightly oil with a synthetic oil such as Lucas Gun Oil. If you have confidence and are crafty you might watch several You Tube vidios on S&W Action Jobs, and see if you pick up anything.
I normally only stone the sides lightly, and stay off the hammer & trigger contact surfaces.
Paint the upper one half of the front sight with Green Sight Brite sight paint. First clean the front sight serations with a degreaser and tooth brush. Check to see how much of the front sight you have in the back sight. This is the area you want to paint. A model brush works fine. Get complete coverage of the upper serations on the face, with no heavy coverage areas. Do this for about 3 days. You need to let the paint get DRY between coats.
NOTE: I have tryed finger nail polish. I have not found any that stays as bright as Sight Brite. Spend a couple more bucks and get the right stuff for the job.

Gunsmith Revolver Work:
Chamfer the Chambers.
Slick up the internals.
Check Chamber alignment.
Check and adjust End Shake, and Cylinder Gap.
Polish back half of chambers.
I normally have Ball Loc installed, but you can live without it.

Grips: I hate to say this, but I shoot Hogue Rubber grips the best in matches on my Square Butt K Frame. I have Altamont, S&W Combats, Ahrends, Laser Grips, etc. I have nice wood grips on most of my revolvers. I have Hogue Rubber on my 64 SSR Gun with no plan to change them. I have Pachmayr Compac Professinals on my 2" Model 10-5 Round Butt.

Why this combination? The K frame snub is way easier to shoot well than a J Frame. The K is larger, and heavier to soak up recoil for follow up shots. You have lots of grip options. It is a robust design. The K is much easier to get a good trigger on.
Next is Speed Loader selection. You only have one real choice with the J Frame, the Little known about J-Jet Loader. As far as I know, I am the only one making a Kydex Speed loader carrier for the J Frame Jet Loader.
You have a good selection of Kydex speed loader carriers for the K Frame.
The point is, the K Frame is just plain shootable.

Lobo Holsters: Lobo Gun Leather - Home
Speed Loaders: Official NRA Shooting Targets, Speedloaders, Reloading Supplies, More
Pistoleer carries both Safariland as well as Jet Loaders.

Speed Loader Pouch for Safariland Comp III and or Jet Loaders:
North Mountain 4wheelguns.com - Quality Products for the Competitive Revolver Shooter
Big Creek [email protected]
Comp-Tac
Blade-Tech

Well this is how I would play to win in a BUG Match where 2" K Frames were allowed to play.

Bob
 
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Good information. I have been shooting IDPA for a few years and still haven't seen a BUG match in this area. I have shot my 2" model 64 several times in regular IDPA matches and on several occassions been the top revolver shooter. I seem to shoot the 2" gun as well as my 4" guns. I am a believer in shooting the guns I carry, so I shoot the 2" gun every couple of months. I also shoot my 686 with full house magnum rounds occassionally, just to watch the RO jump when the first round goes off! It also helps keep me focused on trigger control and sight alignment.
 
IDPA has gotten to be a game to a large percentage of it's shooters.
I use my concealed carry guns and holsters for every match. The one thing I do switch is speed loaders. I normally carry Safariland Comp II's in Safariland CD-2 Steel Belt Carriers. I have 3 pair on my dresser. Plain Black Tops are K Frame with 38 Special +P ammunition. The pair wirh Yellow Dots on top are K Frame with 357 Magnum ammunition. The pair with Green Dots on the top are L Frame with 357 Magnum ammunition.
For Matches I carry the Safariland Comp III's. I have concealed carried the comp III's with no issues in my carriers.

I rotate through several different revolvers, requiring 3 different Speed Loader and Ammunition combinations. I also have 2 pair of California Competition Works SAM Steel carriers for Moon Clips. One set is J Frame 5 shot 38 +P for my 442 Pro Moon Clip, the other pair has N Frame 10mm ammunition for my 610 and 310 Night Guard.

Everything I use in a match I could carry however.

I have went to 158/5.0 Unique loads for my 686, 64, and 10. We shoot Steel every other month. The 5.0 load will take over steel with no problem.

We normally do not have over 3 or 4 entries in BUG. Since BUG shoots the full course of fire at our matches that is no problem. You just check the BUG Box on the Registration Sheet and show up ready to shoot when your name is called.

I think IDPA is really missing the Boat by not allowing the BUG's to be shot on the full course of fire. I will guarantee most IDPA shooters do not conceal carry their match guns.
By compeating with your concealed carry equipment, you are better prepairing incase you ever need your concealed carry handgun.

The main IDPA Excuse I hear is BUG's will slow down the match. We have not experianced this problem. Saturday in our Defensive Pistol Match Jeff was shooting a Model 36 with HKS Speed Loaders. He is going to try out my J Jet Loaders for the next match.
I went Rimfire this match, and was shooting my LCR 22 reloaded with Speed Beez Speed Loaders, carried in one of my Big Creek Carriers. I had spare ammunition staged in a 4 Banger Loading Block. We had 3 Stages requiring 12 rounds and two Stages requiring 6 rounds. I started with 2 speed loaders loaded and 4 reloads in the Block, plus some Speed Strip reloads for Load and Make Ready on a Stage ot Two.
My First Place SSR Time with my 64 was 111.84, My BUG Time was 117.34, Also First Place.
The 36 turned in a respectable 138.47.
Jeffs Model 36 J Frame time was only 27 seconds slower than my Winning SSR time. That is not slowing the match down.

The main thing I see happening with BUG's being used on a real course of fire, is getting the kinks out of using one. It would not take but a couple matches and the speed strips will only be used for Load and Make Ready. You would start to see Jet Loaders being used for on the clock reloads. You would see grips being changed so you could make a speed reload. I do not consider this to be Gaming, I consider it to be getting the bugs out incase someday you need to use it.

We need more BUG Matches so you can use your real carry gear.

Bob
 
We need more BUG Matches so you can use your real carry gear.
Bob
I run a BUG match as part of our club's winter PPC series. BUG is 33 rds at 4, 7, and 10 yds vs 48 rds at 4, 7, 10, and 15 yds for "compact", "open" or "rimfire".

Unfortunately your 2" K frame doesn't make our standard as to what a BUG is. We go by J frame size as the standard, be it revo or semi-auto. A 2" K frame vs a 2" J frame is simply not a fair contest.
 
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Tomcatt51
You are absolutely correct a K Snub against a J Frame is no contest. The K Frame is a much more shootable Platform.

You can make a J Frame work in a BUG Match with a little work however.

Revolver: Steel 640, 60 or SP101 Ruger.
Holster: A Pancake such as a Lobo Model 1 or Enhanced Pancake.
Speed Loaders: J Frame Jet Loader
Speed Loader Carrier: Big Creek Kydex

Revolver Work:
Chamfer Chambers
Grips Pachmeyr Compac Professionals
Wolfe Spring Kit with either a 12 or 13 pound rebound spring.
Front Sight, If Pinned Green Fiber Optic, If Fixed Green Sight Brite sight paint.
A professional Trigger Job is not a bad plan.
That should about do it.

Round Nose 158 grain ammunition, and the package is complete.

Bob
 
I think IDPA is really missing the Boat by not allowing the BUG's to be shot on the full course of fire. I will guarantee most IDPA shooters do not conceal carry their match guns.
By compeating with your concealed carry equipment, you are better prepairing incase you ever need your concealed carry handgun.

There is NO IDPA rule against shooting a BUG in a regular IDPA match!!!
I have one fellow who likes to shoot a model 60 sometimes in SSR, and it is perfectly legal!!!

As an IDPA director for over a decade, I am sick to death of the local clubs that make up their own rules and call it IDPA.
IDPA - Rules
 
No reason you can't shoot a J frame in USPSA or Icore either. Dealing with the required bushel basket full of speedloaders might be fun to watch.
 
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