I find myself feeling sorry for all those gun owners in California.
Calif. gov. enacts ban on open handgun carrying - Yahoo! News
Calif. gov. enacts ban on open handgun carrying - Yahoo! News
California has went around the corner i see
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Evil Dog
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I can see it now... is a shooting range considered a "public place"?
jlrhiner
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Can you still carry it if it's loaded?
cudamank
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only applies if you are carrying in the open and its unloaded. This is a response to the "open Carry" movement.
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From what I understand this California law brings them in line with several other states, including Texas, regarding OC. Is that true?
Most States seem to be loosening firearms restrictions though so California is being regressive on this.
The federal judge had ruled the CA restrictive CCW laws were not unconstitutional because the state allowed open carry. Now they don't allow open carry.
Delete the 2nd amendment, it is irrelevant.
The president of the California Police Chiefs Association said the bill will help assure that felons and gang members cannot openly carry an unloaded gun with impunity.
Well no wonder they needed this law!! The felons weren't following the other laws, you know, the ones restricting felons from possessing a firearm....
So many silly illogical comments in such a short article.
Delete the 2nd amendment, it is irrelevant.
The president of the California Police Chiefs Association said the bill will help assure that felons and gang members cannot openly carry an unloaded gun with impunity.
Well no wonder they needed this law!! The felons weren't following the other laws, you know, the ones restricting felons from possessing a firearm....
So many silly illogical comments in such a short article.
longranger
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I lived in CA for 30 + years in the bay area and never saw no one open carry any firearm except law enforcement.So I think this is pretty much a moot point.The citizens are more comfortable with illegal aliens,gangs,drug cartels other miscreants putting their guns in their pockets,I feel safer now.
Silversmok3
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The first part of that is you have to buy a gun in California to start with, which isn't the easiest of tasks.
If you bring your gun from out of state and it has an 11 round magazine,may as well load it and stick it in your pants like all the other armed California citizens, I mean felons...because youll already be on the hook for a felony anyhow.
Or, you could just pretend that communist government doesn't exist.
enfield
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They're all free to leave -- for now.
I'm new here, but I've been told that this is a good thing. As I now understand it, the CA CC permit "may issue" process was found not to be unconstitutional because citizens still had the opportunity to exercise their rights by carrying openly. Now that the legislature has removed that, there will be another court challenge of the "may issue" process and there will be one less reason to not find it unconstitutional. Maybe they'll find another argument, but the court sure didn't suggest one. Best case, one of the most restrictive gun states gets told that it must issue CC permits except in limited and specific situations. That precedent will ripple through the remaining "may issue" states.
It'll never be as good as one would hope, but I think the CA legislature tripped on themselves this time.
Jim
It'll never be as good as one would hope, but I think the CA legislature tripped on themselves this time.
Jim
Silversmok3
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The dangerous thing about gambling is that the outcome is liable to bankrupt you just as easily as to enrich you. And when you bet against a professional gambling house the odds are you will NOT walk away with the jackpot.
While I applaud the gun owners of California for fighting the good fight, its also very likely that after years of expensive and exhausting litigation the higher courts will side with the governor-because you guys DO have concealed carry as an available option. The verdict could just as easily be based on the fact that because California has concealed carry as a legal option available to all citizens-in theory I do realize in practice this isn't the case-the 2nd Amendment is not infringed by banning open carry.
Since there are other states that have banned open carry-but still issue concealed carry permits-the opposition is not devoid of legal standing.Illinois still stands as the only state in the union without any form of citizen carry, and that is not changing anytime soon either with the Chicago Democratic Machine still in charge.
It must be stated here that State Legislature takes its orders from those with the most votes.They pass policy that favors the most people, so as to assure their own re-election.I severely doubt there is anyone at the state level who thinks in depth about public policy beyond how it affects their chances for re-election.
Since the voting majority elected people into the State Government who cant wait to strip their electorate of their rights, then the misguided majority clearly likes the status quo-and that means they could give two spits about their RKBA.
It is those minds that must be changed, and not those of the courtroom judges.Otherwise in 4 years this **** is gonna come back again and youll be back in the courtroom metaphorically gambling with your rights again.
Sorry if I implied that this was a gamble by CA gun owners, I don't think it the path they would have chosen.
I do think that you may also have misunderstood the legal argument, but it could be me. As I understand, the court already accepted the argument that CA's "may issue" concealed carry permiting is inadequate, but determined that it didn't matter because they had open carry. Now that they don't have open carry the court is likely to rule that they must issue concealed carry permits. I don't follow why you think that the court is likely to reverse itself.
I do think that you may also have misunderstood the legal argument, but it could be me. As I understand, the court already accepted the argument that CA's "may issue" concealed carry permiting is inadequate, but determined that it didn't matter because they had open carry. Now that they don't have open carry the court is likely to rule that they must issue concealed carry permits. I don't follow why you think that the court is likely to reverse itself.
Silversmok3
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Because the court does not 'have' to do anything.
Yes they made a ruling stating that because open carry existed that may-issue concealed carry wasn't unconstitutional. That doesn't mean the next case wont fall in favor of the government because of another reason-say, an interpretation of the law that says having the gun locked in the car fulfills the 'bearing arms' statute.
Even if this plays out the best way possible, it may turn out to be a hollow victory. What folks don't realize is that while Mcdonald vs Chicago was a great legal victory it didn't solve the problem the suit intended .One still cannot have a gun in Chicago to defend yourself.
Yes,there is no more city gun bans.However, the requirements to own a handgun in Chicago are expensive and impossible to follow.One requirement is that one must register the gun with the Chicago police before bringing it into city limits-but before the gun can be registered one must provide evidence of gun training, which cannot be done in Chicago city limits for lack of a firing range!.
So in order to register the handgun legally in the city , one is forced to violate city law by bringing the handgun into the city limits before it can be registered!
I mention that example because shall issue in a place like California will not be like shall issue in Texas.
Think paying $1000 for some obscene tax or fee, plus a psych interview, a job history culling, a credit report, an FBI fingerprint and background check at applicant's own expense,gun registration with the police, the DOJ, the Rotary Club, and a GPS chip in the magazines for good measure, and then youll be the proud owner of a California CCW permit!
Sadly I can't argue with that.
tom turner
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Uh oh . . . how are they gonna shoot all those bang-em-up Hollyweird movies out there in Cally-fornee-A if all the actors can't show their guns anymore in public?
jag312
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I am not one who was ever comfortable with open carry of an unloaded gun. If I was a criminal looking for a gun, I would look for someone who is open carrying an unloaded gun and then sneak up behind him with a 2X4. Then we have a man with his head split open and a criminal with a gun. I would rather have the laws loosened for the issue of a concealed weapons permit. That way we can have criminals having nightmares about picking the wrong victim and getting shot for their troubles.
But...I'm just one little guy in California, and nobody ever listens to me.
But...I'm just one little guy in California, and nobody ever listens to me.
jlrhiner
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Get up on a box and start yelling. You have the right idea.
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