Can you sound suppress a revolver?

[PALADIN85020]

Most knowledgeable gun people will tell you that you can't, because gas and noise will escape from the barrel-cylinder gap.

However if you dig a bit deeper, you'll find that it IS possible. As a matter of fact, the Russian secret services (KGB et al) did so routinely for assasinations.

This is the 1895 Nagant "gas seal" revolver. The 7.62 mm Nagant cartridge has the bullet seated deeply below the mouth of the case. When fired, the cylinder is pressed forward over the back of the barrel, and the mouth of the cartridge actually enters the barrel, effectively sealing the gap. This gives it about a 75 fps increase in velocity over a conventional revolver and enables it to more effectively use a "silencer" or more properly, a sound suppressor.

I picked this specimen up several weeks ago. It was made by Izhevsk arsenal in 1944:

In the deal I acquired 14 rounds of original military ammo for it, but have not yet shot it.

Anyone have experience shooting these little curiosity items?

 

[Crazy K38]

thanks for the info! I love seeing things like this, tell us how she shoots

 

[s&wchad]

It looks like new!

YouTube - Silenced 1895 Nagant revolver (NFA)

 

[wheelgun1958]

YouTube - Silenced 1895 Nagant revolver (NFA)

 

[oldRoger]

I think that lots of .22 S&W revolvers have been suppressed. It used to be the mobs close in weapon of choice.
You get in the barber chair, the barber puts a hot towel on your face, your bodyguards and the barber quietly withdraw, someone steps in and puts a suppressed .22 against your temple, and that’s all folks.

It may not have been perfect, but I have it on pretty good authority that it’s quiet pop, pop, pop.

 

[Pilgrim]

The guy that designed that gun was a mechanical genius but has no sense of practicality...yet the Russians adopted it in large numbers. The 25+lb trigger pull, the convoluted method of ejecting the spend shells , the 1 1/2 inch hammer mounted firing pin, the small caliber etc.

That said, everyone should own one !

My 1940 Tula. I have the second 32 cal cylinder for this one.

 

[walnutred]

I rechambered mine into 32 WCF, you actually just end up removing a minuscule amount of metal. I reload for 32 WCF anyway, just have to load the projectiles a little deeper in the case.

 

[Belwolf]

These revolvers have probably the worst stock triggers of nay revolver, they are possibly up to 20 lbs in some models (my wartime production '44 certainly approaches that number).

Look at this Surplusrifleforum.com • View topic - How to adjust the trigger pull of the 1895 Nagant revolver
to help alleviate the issue.

Interesting guns, I see mine as more of a curiosity piece than a serious shooter. As far as I know only Fiocchi and Hot Shot makes modern ammo (can be pricey) though you may find Russian target ammo ( typically a yellow box with black Cyrillic writing and a bullseye target on one side) from time to time which is cheaper.

I expect this is what you have, if your ammo is different than listed I would check it out as actual military ammo is extremely rare (it was supposedly much hotter than the target ammo and modern loads). If you have true military issued ammo other than the target loads it may be worth something (pre-WWII would be an awesome find!).

Some Nagants can use .32 S&W Long as well but not all (mine cannot as the cases split and must be reamed out of the cylinders- these guns varied widely in manufacturing over the many years and lets say "times of troubles" that they were produced).

But for the price they can't be beat, I picked up mine about 7 years ago for $60 and their prices haven't gone up that much since then.

Here is another place to find info:

Njanear's M1895 Nagant Revolver Collection Page - Military Surplus Firearms

 

[PALADIN85020]

Belwolf,

I have the yellow box ammo with the Cyrillic writing on it. It's obviously not vintage, but I thought it was military. Thanks for the info!

 

[NiklasP]

There are two other versions of this revolver, designed by Nagant brothers -- 1887 Swedish Officers revolver, chambered for 7,5 Nagant and 1892 (check model nu.) Swiss Ordinace Officer's revolver in 7,5 Swiss. Both have traditional cylinder-barrel gaps and use nearly identical ammo. The Swedish one was designed for a BP round nearly ballistically equivalent to S&W 32 Long. Remember, this was early in the era of small caliber autoloading pistols and revolvers -- 7,62 Broomhandles, 32-20, etc. Remember also all those S&W and Colt DA revolvers chambered for 32 S&W, 32 S&W Long, 32-20, and once popular with both US military and civilian police.

I have one of 1887 Swedish Officers revolver and it is the best designed and functioning BP revolver I have ever used. It was initially issued to officers that had previously only had sabers. Mine is accurate enough with reproduction factory BP loads for head shots at 100 meters, the distance their fixed sights were designed for. These reproduction BP loads have essentially 32-20 ballistics from 4,0 inch barrel. Actually, I use 32-20 loads with bullets seated a bit deeper because of shorter cylinder. Being made by Husqvarna, it has very well made innards. I did have it worked on to give much lighter SA and DA trigger pulls.

The 1895 Russian Nagants were popular revolvers for assasins, because its report could be greatly suppressed, as well as used by officers for executing deserters and captives. Some day I may go looking for a nice one, made in Imperial Armory at Tula, when best ones are said to have been made.

Niklas

 

[GatorFarmer]

Not that I necessarily suggest you do it, but there are quite a few people who fire .32 SW Long and even .32 H&R mag rounds from their Nagants. Just don't use Magtech, which tends to split the brass more than other brands.

There's some controversy among gun writers as to whether the gas seal feature really adds anything velocity wise. Where it may have come in quite handy was that the Red Army apparently liked the Nagant for tank crews for firing out pistol ports. This would sometimes cause the Toke to jam by catching on something.

That gun writers say a suppressed revolver won't work very well never stopped the IRA (and others) from suppressing other makes of revolvers (including Webleys, Colts and S&Ws) and using them.

 

[Steave]

Generally you cannot suppress a revolver because of the barrel/cylinder gap, too much gas escapes to allow for effective suppression. The Nagant is the exception, however, why anyone would want to go to the time, trouble and expense to suppress one of these is beyond me.

To the best of my knowledge, the only effective and legitimate suppressed revolver was one developed by Knight's Armament back in the early-mid '80's, IIRC. It was based on a Ruger GP100 and never got past the prototype stage.

 

[NiklasP]

Well, "western" ideas of cost effectivesness seldom "infected" Russia in its later years or Soviet Union ever.

There are many reports of another rather effective sound suppressor -- a pillow. Wrap it around a revolver and press barrel against selected area on target.

Niklas

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

I have seen one example of an adjustable barrel Dan Wesson (in 38 spl caliber) that was modified for fitting with a silencer.

 

[jdh]

32 ACP conversion cylinders are available.
Cylinder .32 ACP Replacement M1895 Nagant Revolver - $69.00 : Buymilsurp.com, Your source for military surplus.

 

[Landpimp]

Knight made a supressed wheelgun, think he used a Ruger as the base for it, guess it worked but was a ton of $$

if I recall there were some cartriges made that were supressed themself, forget how it worked

 

[Double-O-Dave]

Knight made a supressed wheelgun, think he used a Ruger as the base for it, guess it worked but was a ton of $$

if I recall there were some cartriges made that were supressed themself, forget how it worked

I seem to recall this - I think it used a Redhawk as the base, and it was HUGE!

Regards,

Dave

 

[kennyb]

Most knowledgeable gun people will tell you that you can't, because gas and noise will escape from the barrel-cylinder gap.

However if you dig a bit deeper, you'll find that it IS possible. As a matter of fact, the Russian secret services (KGB et al) did so routinely for assasinations.

This is the 1895 Nagant "gas seal" revolver. The 7.62 mm Nagant cartridge has the bullet seated deeply below the mouth of the case. When fired, the cylinder is pressed forward over the back of the barrel, and the mouth of the cartridge actually enters the barrel, effectively sealing the gap. This gives it about a 75 fps increase in velocity over a conventional revolver and enables it to more effectively use a "silencer" or more properly, a sound suppressor.

I picked this specimen up several weeks ago. It was made by Izhevsk arsenal in 1944:

In the deal I acquired 14 rounds of original military ammo for it, but have not yet shot it.

Anyone have experience shooting these little curiosity items?

now thats a SERIOUS looking firing pin!

 

[Smithhound]

I have a book 'the pictorial history of Vietnam' that shows a tunnel rat coming out of a tunnel with a suppressed S&W revolver (if memory serves), I will try to dig it out and scan/post. I can't imagine it did much, but maybe enough.
RD

 

[J. Galt]

Here is a revolver that used silenced ammunition...cool!

And Knight's Ruger: