Caracal????

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I know this is the Smith Forum but there is so much knowledge here I thought I would ask about the above noted handgun.Who is familiar with the early history of this gun,the reason for the recall and what the gun is like now? Does it have any thing that makes it "better" than other similar auto's?
 
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There is nothing that makes it "better" just because but there may be something better for you. The designer was the same guy who designed the Glock.

It has a lower bore axis and higher grip which contribute to less muzzle flip and faster time back on target. They came with two different sights. One was the standard .... like all other guns and the other was kinda like the old S&W gutter sight. I've never shot one but from everything I've read suggests that it's faster and just as accurate in closer ranges....25 yards and closer. The other sight, while traditional 3 dot, was one piece and part of the back plate. Don't know if they changed this or not but those models could not easily change sights. You would have needed ones with backplates. It similar to Styer M and Arsenal Strike One.

They had a recall on all guns. If I'm not mistaken it was found to be able to fire when dropped. This has been fixed (redesigned). These are new here so not much is known yet but they should be good reliable guns.

I never owned one but I did play with one at a gun store back then. I remember it felt good in hand and a good trigger. Something around 5lb pull

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Since the Pakistani kaboom a few years back, Caracal has been trying to re-boot its pistol line. I bought a model C right when they first came out. Loved that gun. Quality fit and finish with a sub 5 lb trigger pull. The reset SA mode was even lighter. Great ergos. Then came the Pakistani incident. You can google that. A fellow suffered multiple facial lacerations because of it. After the gun was sent to Caracal things got wild. All F & C models were recalled due to inappropriate slide/barrel metalurgy. I sent mine in and they paid me for all costs initially incurred. That included my background check fee.
They said a redesign was in the works and a new version would be available "soon". At subsequent SHOT Shows, they were touting it would be released "very soon". Several years went by.
Alas, several months back, it hit the market. My model C was a subcompact. What was redesigned was full size. Not interested. I don't see this gun surviving a crowded marketplace. It is being manufactured back east (NH?) and distributed by an Idaho company. Now if they came out with a subcompact I "might" reconsider.
For reference, the model C I had reminds me of my current Bersa bp9cc.
 
Thanks everybody ,sounds like if I was going in that direction I would be better served by buying a Glock!
 
I just picked up a Canik TP9sf and I really like the trigger and balance.
Used it in about 6 USPSA shoots and it's been great. Still new so I can't say much about longevity, but for a $299 gun, no complaints.
 
Thanks everybody ,sounds like if I was going in that direction I would be better served by buying a Glock!

If you're going after something different for the range, take a look at a Styer M9A1. Odd looking gun, but the oddities go away for me during live fire. Nice wide flat face trigger. Trigger pull is better than an out of the box Glock, but not as nice as the most current crop of striker fired guns (VP9, PPQ, Sig P320, M&P 2.0, etc.)

I'm going to catch heat for what I'm about to say. If you're intent is to buy a semi-auto handgun for self defense (carry or home defense), then it is hard to ignore the Glock 19.
 
I've never been able to stick with a Glock due to the grip angle pointing high, and the circumference on the all of the G1-3 series.

The Caracal was one of the few new guns I've ever bought, as it impressed me that much. I had an early full-sized F-model. It felt better, pointed better, and had a superior trigger by far. It proved to have less muzzle-flip and be more accurate in my hands, also.

Mine had a 'straight-8' two-dot pattern, and the rear sight was part of the striker assembly/back-plate, as was described earlier. A fantastic safety feature in my eyes, was that the tail of the striker would protrude out of the backplate as you pressed the trigger. Thus, you could put the pad of your thumb there as you holstered, and clearly feel if there was any interference. Only the Ruger SR series, and the Walther PPS-M2 have this similar feature, AFAIK.

Anyhow, the gun went through THREE recalls. The Paki-incident referred to was a C-model compact, and they were the ONLY ones initially recalled. At the time, I thought it may be due to some weird combo of slide mass, velcoity, dwell-time, etc. vs. the full-sized F. Then, they came for all of the F-models, to....and I reluctantly sent mine in. I think it was like around 6 months wait for it's replacement. They comped me a hat, shirt, and two mags, IIRC. Then, I ended up selling mine to fund some other toy at the time, LOL. Shortly thereafter, I read of the death-blow recall of the whole series for full-refund.

Yes, I am waiting for the return of it, with the improvements I've read about.
 
I'm going to catch heat for what I'm about to say. If you're intent is to buy a semi-auto handgun for self defense (carry or home defense), then it is hard to ignore the Glock 19.
I'm no fan of Glock, but it is hard to deny that the 17/19/26 set the standard for modern automatic pistols when they hit the market. I think there are better choices (I'm a walther fan in the striker fired pistol market), but how could anyone say a consumer in the market of self defense firearms should ignore the Glock?.
 
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There is nothing that makes it "better" just because but there may be something better for you. The designer was the same guy who designed the Glock.

Are you saying the Caracal was designed by Gaston Glock?
 
Are you saying the Caracal was designed by Gaston Glock?
Gaston didn't design his gun either at least not the way you think. Gaston wasn't a gun designer. He was a successful businessman and polymer manufacturer, to the Austrian Ministry of Defense. Glock supplied the army with combined trench tools, non-moldering machine gun belts and hand grenades at the time. Up until he decided to enter the Austrian service pistol competition he'd never held a gun. He bought a bunch of different guns (Sig 220, CZ75, Beretta 92 and Walther P38) and took them apart to see how they work. He arranged a meeting with three experts....Siegfried F. Hubner, Richard Silvestri and Friedrich Dechant. The 4 of them drew up pictures of what they thought the future gun would be (size, weight, capacity, manufacturing...etc..).

GLOCK made the drawings as simple as possible, because he handed them over to his engineer Reinhold Hirschheiter every morning and expected him to finish the work the same day so it could be tested.

Wilhelm Bubits worked on the Glock design. Later he designed the Steyr M and Caracal

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I 2nd the nod for CANNIK, though I have the newer TP9v2, you just can not beat them. Cheap, accurate and tough as nails! I am going on 5000 rounds through mine not a single problem.
 
I had an opportunity to purchase a Caracal locally a couple of years back. When I called the company regarding the recall they instructed me to send the pistol back. No explanation, just send it back. I didn't go through with the purchase.
 
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