Coming back to S&W after decades, and question

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Way back in the mid '90s my father bought a S&W 1006 from a shady fellow that frequented our business. It was a solid beast, stainless and chambered for the up and coming 10mm. Initially I was excited at having it under the counter, if ever needed. However, shooting it was an unpleasant surprise. The 1006 handled the 10mm recoil impulse quite well, making the pistol comfortable to shoot, but the grip and ergonomics were another matter. It did not fit my hand, at all, no matter what grip configuration was tried. When practicing finger point drills the muzzle was never aligned as desired. Having small hands the controls were a pain, I had the shift the pistol sideways in my shooting hand to reach the slide or mag release. The experience was terribly disappointing. So, I wasn't too heartbroken when the FBI showed up and collected the weapon stating it had been stolen from the LLEO evidence lockup. Never got the money back either. Short story long, we picked up a Colt King Cobra on sale and it resided under the counter till my father passed and the family business sold. The Colt is still in my collection.

In the intervening years I wouldn't even considered a S&W after that negative experience.

So, to the present. When it came time to pick a CCL piece I waited with bated breath for the Springfield XDs to be released in .45 ACP. Unfortunately, for the wrong reasons: it was incredibly compact (which was good), it was made by Springfield (product bias) and it was in .45 (a bad choice as it turned out). Bought it for full retail and proceeded to fling large chunks of lead down range in large random patterns. After about 2 years and 900 rounds it was realized that the gun would be useless in a self-defense situation. But not because of the weapon, I loved the XDs, the size, the feel, the function and the grip safety. The sad fact was that only on occasion, with slow fire and with great concentration could I keep all shots in center of mass. In a draw from concealment or attempted double tap some shots would miss a full silhouette at 10 feet. I was the culprit, anticipating recoil, jerking the trigger (which was much worse after the recall), slow recovery for a second shot and the little bugger just beat my shooting hand mercilessly.
During my attempt to tame the XDs the wife took her CCL class and we started shopping for her everyday carry. That is when we ran across the Shield. She loved it and is scary accurate with the piece. When I finally wrestled her to the floor and took the Shield from her, they were quite attached, I was amazed. The 9mm is so much easier to shoot, the lower recoil allows for much greater accuracy, easy follow-up shots, the trigger is much smoother&lighter and ammo is much less expensive that .45 ACP.

So, I sold the XDs (taking quite a loss) and bought the Shield. However, there are just a couple of features I wish the Shield had: 1. A grip safety, I feel more secure with the added safety measure.
2. A tactile loaded chamber indicator, much more preferable than a push check or trying to see a round in low light.
3. A trigger that does not return to firing position after the striker has been released. One could determined if the XD was cocked by the position of the trigger, not so for the Shield.

On the few occasions I had to deploy the XDs at night I was very thankful for the trigger reset and tactile chamber indicator.

Does anyone else feel the same?
 
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First, welcome to the Forum!

I have a no thumb safety shield and prefer it so I do not feel the same. It is not my primary HD weapon. My DA/SA Sig is.

Naturally, I have to say if you follow Cooper's rules you'll be safe and ready.

My 1911s have grip safeties. I'm OK with them being there. Don't feel the need to have them elsewhere.

If you REALLY want a chamber flag, check out the Calif model Shield (ugh, I can't believe I just said that). It has a very prominent flag, a mag disconnect and a manual safety.

In the end, it's what YOU feel safe and competent with.
 
Well-written and engaging post. Welcome to the fold, and the forum! Hope you continue to contribute regularly. Regarding your Shield wish list, I wouldn't hold my breath on #1 or #2. These days the trend is toward fewer external safety devices.
 
Welcome to the forum and back to S&W. I hope your experience is far better this time around!

I agree that I wouldn't count on seeing a grip safety on the M&Ps, nor do I think one is really needed on a striker fired gun like it is on a single action pistol. But I can see where it could give an extra feeling of safety to someone.

A tactile loaded chamber indicator might be nice, but I have never fretted about it. For my Shield, I look down the chamber view hole before holstering the gun. S&W and General Dynamics are collaborating to submit a pistol to the US Army for evaluation to replace the M9 Beretta. It is assumed it will be largely based on the full size M&P with some modifications that will also find their way to the civilian market as a sort of Gen 2 M&P. We may see something at the upcoming SHOT show. Will it have a tactile loaded chamber indicator? I think that is a possibility, but it's anybody's guess now. Also problematic if or when it would turn up on a Shield.

Practice with the Shield for a while. A million plus have been made and there are a lot of happy Shield carriers out there, it's a great little gun. I expect soon you'll sort of forget why you wanted some of the wish list items.
 
Saudade, thanks for your input.

Naturally, I have to say if you follow Cooper's rules you'll be safe and ready.

Absolutely, I agree.

If you REALLY want a chamber flag, check out the Calif model Shield (ugh, I can't believe I just said that). It has a very prominent flag, a mag disconnect and a manual safety.

BLASPHEMY!!!! Burn the Heretic!!!
Sorry, did I say that out loud? Inside voice, must remember, inside voice.
Personally the heinous sins of a mag disconnect and an external safety far outweigh the benefit of the tactile chamber indicator. The Walther P22 has a mag disconnect and I detest the limitation.

First, welcome to the Forum!

I have a no thumb safety shield and prefer it so I do not feel the same. It is not my primary HD weapon. My DA/SA Sig is.

Naturally, I have to say if you follow Cooper's rules you'll be safe and ready.

My 1911s have grip safeties. I'm OK with them being there. Don't feel the need to have them elsewhere.

If you REALLY want a chamber flag, check out the Calif model Shield (ugh, I can't believe I just said that). It has a very prominent flag, a mag disconnect and a manual safety.

In the end, it's what YOU feel safe and competent with.
 
Thank you, glad to be here.
No argument on one #1 & #2 but what about the trigger reset?


Well-written and engaging post. Welcome to the fold, and the forum! Hope you continue to contribute regularly. Regarding your Shield wish list, I wouldn't hold my breath on #1 or #2. These days the trend is toward fewer external safety devices.
 
...what about the trigger reset?

S&W isn't known for rapidly incorporating trigger improvements into their product lines. For example, despite all the talk 3 years ago about rolling the Shield's trigger improvements into the other M&P pistols, there doesn't seem to be a consensus that it's happened across the board. (But then I haven't shot other M&P's recently.)

Preferences in trigger takeup, overtravel, reset, etc are very subjective and no manufacturer can please everyone. These are mass-produced firearms, and the Shield's bangswitch is generally well-liked. My philosophy about triggers in defensive handguns is this: if I like the gun in general, it's reliable, and I can live with its trigger action, then it's a matter of training to adapt to it and be "combat accurate." It's not a target pistol.

My 2 cents'
 
Welcome

I'm not sure grip size/angle would be considered a negative experience. S&W did make other models with wider/smaller grips. Just like pants, guns come in different sizes.

As for the loaded chamber indicator, I know I have them on my guns but honestly I've never used it, looked at it, felt for it or anything else. I know my gun is loaded cause I loaded it. If you're carrying or at the range it's loaded and generally assume they are loaded till verified otherwise
 
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