Concealed Weapon or Hidden Gun?

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As the Constitutional Carry bill makes it's way through the Maine Legislature, debate is heating up and I'm hearing the term "Hidden Gun" thrown around. Fear mongering, really. But I heard a state legislator respond to the term yesterday and I appreciated his response.

To paraphrase, a "Concealed Weapon" is not a "hidden gun". A "hidden gun" is a gun concealed ILLEGALLY and/or for malicious purposes.

Dont let the gun-o-phobes re-frame the Constitutional Carry debate into one over "hidden guns".
 
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When you have no facts to support your argument, or you are too lazy or too arrogant to go look for them, you can always rely on any ridiculous term-of-art or other mechanism to attempt to confuse the issue, and hope that somehow the debate swings your way. These days, it works - with depressing regularity. :rolleyes:
 
We are hearing the same thing here in Ohio regarding HB 147. It's a Constitutional Carry Bill. This seems like the latest meme from the antis.

From Jennifer Thorn the Executive Director of Ohioans Against Gun Violence :

We have to remember that everyone carrying a hidden, loaded weapon is a "good guy," up into the moment that they aren't," said Thorne.
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Bill Would Allow Ohioans To Carry Concealed Weapons Without Perm - NBC4i: Columbus, Ohio News, Weather and Sports (WCMH-TV)

They even have Veto Hidden Loaded Weapons prominently displayed on their website.

Home | Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence

You'll notice another anti meme we're hearing in Ohio and that's the implication that gun carriers will eventually become a "bad guy" or a criminal.

State Rep Bill Patmon recently said on camera. (1:22 mark of video)

Aren't we all law abiding citizens before we become criminals?
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http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-...-a-permit-to-carry-a-concealed-weapon-in-ohio

It sure seems like these are the new "buzz phrases" the other side is pushing.
 
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Hidden.....not revealed.....unknown......mysterious.....ipso facto, it must be bad.

Concealed.....something you do with a handgun after the state says you can......ipso facto....it must be good because you have permission.

Someone needs to pass a Hidden Carry Permit..... :eek:

As for buzz phrases, there are many new ones being used by the anti-gunners. The NRA recently exposed all of the nefarious state legislative efforts that Bloomberg and his buddies are engaged in and most of it is done under the cover of money and phony buzz words....... :mad:
 
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Concealed means hidden...but I get your drift.

Don't expect the State Run Media to get ANYTHING right...
 
dullh said:
Don't expect the State Run Media to get ANYTHING right...
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Are you referring to television networks and news shows? Or printed media such as newspapers and magazines? Or maybe Internet news sites and blogs? Or all of them?

What are some specific examples...some names...of what you see as "State Run Media"?
 
This is a classic tactic: "When the Law supports your argument, bang on the Law". "When Facts support your argument, bang on the Facts". "When neither the Law nor Facts support your argument, bang on the Table!".
 
Hidden implies something illegal, the anti people would like to make it seem more devious, like you are hiding something you are not suppose have. Concealed means just that, legal and not showing to cause a public alarm.... Politicians are great for spinning words around to suit their needs. Just remember them at election time. Vote them out !
 
To invoke my friend and outspoken 2A advocate , "Let's play Substitute the Noun "


Oh horrors ! There are all these people out in public with *Hidden Sexual Organs* !! Sure they are almost all law abiding ...until their not. Everyone of them could suddenly snap and become a Rapist or a Prostitute. Let's stop this , and make sure all sexual organs are openly packed in public.
 
They simply need to show the statistics. When they did this in FL the anti-gun nuts said it would turn the state into the "Wild West" and there would be carnage in the streets. Well the exact opposite happened; violent crime plumetted.
 
I can understand the debate and it has valid points but there are so many grey areas it will probably be impossible to enforce. For example a normal person wouldn't conceal a gun in their underpants but many women use bra holsters. Many people use ankle holsters but not many would carry a gun in their sock but some will keep a gun in their boot. There are many bags designed to hide guns with special compartments. Looks like the legislators have a long job on their hands but first they will have to make legal definitions of the verbs to hide and to conceal and that will carry over into other aspects of the law. Good luck with that one :)
 
AlHunt said:
As the Constitutional Carry bill makes it's way through the Maine Legislature, debate is heating up and I'm hearing the term "Hidden Gun" thrown around. Fear mongering, really. But I heard a state legislator respond to the term yesterday and I appreciated his response.

To paraphrase, a "Concealed Weapon" is not a "hidden gun". A "hidden gun" is a gun concealed ILLEGALLY and/or for malicious purposes.

Dont let the gun-o-phobes re-frame the Constitutional Carry debate into one over "hidden guns".
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That's odd.

I remember when the idea of a "hide out gun" was considered prudent (if allowable under policy) in the event of an Onion Field, or similar, type situation where a primary LE service weapon was lost or taken. The connotation was that of a lawful gun carried hidden for a lawful reason.

Sure, someone of criminal intent and action could also hide a gun on their person, but it was the intention, circumstances and deliberately violating the law that made that act illegal, not simply the use of the word "hidden".

Concealed does mean hidden from sight.

A concealed ... hidden from view ... firearm may be either lawful or unlawful, depending on the circumstances and the applicable law.

Next thing you know, someone's going to refer to a concealed firearm as an occult firearm. :rolleyes:
 
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I remember when the idea of a "hide out gun" was considered prudent (if allowable under policy) in the event of an Onion Field, or similar, type situation where a primary LE service weapon was lost or taken. The connotation was that of a lawful gun carried hidden for a lawful reason.
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It's all semantics like pistol vs revolver or magazine vs clip. Exceot in this case, the anti's are trying to use "hidden gun" to inspire fear. In the era of short-attention-span-theater and sound byte driven politics, we can't let "hidden gun" become synonymous with criminal activity or dangerous acts.

If the opposition wants to be opposed, let them explain their position with meaningful dialog, not sound byte rhetoric.
 
My grandchildren found some hidden eggs this past Easter. Next year I will be sure the Easter Rabbit only conceals those eggs. Can't be too careful these days, especially in New Jerseystan.
 
"Hidden gun"..."Assault Weapon/Rifle"..."Weapons of War"..."Saturday Night Special"..."Gun Violence"..."Dodge City/Wild West"..."The Gun/Lobby/Culture"..."Cop Killer Bullets"...etc., etc...SOS...Considering the weak effect on actual legislation these loaded words and phrases have had, they haven't been very effective at actually influencing the majority of voters in the US. Someone will always come up with new catchphrases.
 
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