CSX e series trigger

[tvphotog]

Greetings from New York City. I'm a new member with over ten years of firearms ownership. I'm a Certified Pistol Instructor and a Range Safety Officer. And...a proud owner of a Shield Plus and just recently, a new CRX e series.

Just a short comment about the firearm. It's all that it's advertised to be, and that includes the trigger. It has a clean break (not exactly as good as a 1911), but as good at the Walther polymer series. There is a single reset, loud and tactile.

The internet supports this in the two most recent videos I've seen. A couple from two weeks ago or so talk about one or even two false resets with the e series. Maybe they got lemons, but mine is terrific.

 

[bpsooner]

Thank you for the report. Looks like an awesome gun. I cannot wait to try it out.


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[VictorLouis]

I got some dry-fire with two 3.6" examples at this most recent fun-show.
I felt their was no issue/s. YMMV

 

[GFU]

I’ve been watching and waiting for this upgrade. I have liked the concept of the design since it introduction

 

[GFU]

Please post results as you get some rounds through it

 

[Pisgah]

Please post results as you get some rounds through it

I'll just bet that after 2 years he's already done just that...

 

[Smithem']

I will post this to the other CSXe series posts that are here simply to throw in my 1.5 cents.


Went to my LGS yesterday to look at the new e series CSX. I have one of the early originals that I modified to rid it of the false reset. I could not have been more disappointed.


The first thing I did was test the trigger and counted three clicks before reset. The first one was very subtle, but I was looking for it and found it quickly. The second and third were pronounced. When I showed the LGS owner, he too was very surprised and said, "I thought they were supposed to fix that ****."


I did take my original CSX down to parts and polished everything. It is notably better than the e series gun I looked at. That saved me a good $500 or more bucks on the spot.


As I said in previous posts, manufactures are falling all over themselves to get out a small high capacity gun to keep up with the Jones' and S&W did a nice job with the CSX, but left out one of the most important parts that turn people away. That is a superb trigger.

 

[SoCalDep]

S&W didn’t do anything wrong. The trigger is fine. People have been trained, and in many cases are training other people to focus on the part of the trigger manipulation that doesn’t fire the pistol. Clicks and tactile and all that BS on a trigger reset is astonishingly dumb skill set training. The focus should be on the part of the trigger that makes the pistol shoot and hit. Anything else is dogma based on an attempt to justify what was taught rather than what is best.

 

[dben002]

I will post this to the other CSXe series posts that are here simply to throw in my 1.5 cents.


Went to my LGS yesterday to look at the new e series CSX. I have one of the early originals that I modified to rid it of the false reset. I could not have been more disappointed.


The first thing I did was test the trigger and counted three clicks before reset. The first one was very subtle, but I was looking for it and found it quickly. The second and third were pronounced. When I showed the LGS owner, he too was very surprised and said, "I thought they were supposed to fix that ****."


I did take my original CSX down to parts and polished everything. It is notably better than the e series gun I looked at. That saved me a good $500 or more bucks on the spot.


As I said in previous posts, manufactures are falling all over themselves to get out a small high capacity gun to keep up with the Jones' and S&W did a nice job with the CSX, but left out one of the most important parts that turn people away. That is a superb trigger.

I also visited the gun store and inspected the e-series trigger and yes indeed it has a 3 click reset..after 1st and/or second click you have a dead trigger and must go to third click reset to refire...so as the OP originally stated if these are lemons then they are all lemons.

 

[SoCalDep]

I also visited the gun store and inspected the e-series trigger and yes indeed it has a 3 click reset..after 1st and/or second click you have a dead trigger and must go to third click reset to refire...so as the OP originally stated if these are lemons then they are all lemons.

Or they’re all fine and people are focusing on the wrong part of shooting a gun.

 

[LVSteve]

S&W didn’t do anything wrong. The trigger is fine. People have been trained, and in many cases are training other people to focus on the part of the trigger manipulation that doesn’t fire the pistol. Clicks and tactile and all that BS on a trigger reset is astonishingly dumb skill set training. The focus should be on the part of the trigger that makes the pistol shoot and hit. Anything else is dogma based on an attempt to justify what was taught rather than what is best.

I hope the reset mafia don't know where you live.

 

[Michaelp57]

What???

S&W didn’t do anything wrong. The trigger is fine. People have been trained, and in many cases are training other people to focus on the part of the trigger manipulation that doesn’t fire the pistol. Clicks and tactile and all that BS on a trigger reset is astonishingly dumb skill set training. The focus should be on the part of the trigger that makes the pistol shoot and hit. Anything else is dogma based on an attempt to justify what was taught rather than what is best.

Knowing where your trigger reset is helps with quicker and more accurate follow up shots. One should be intimately familiar with all aspects of the operation of their defensive hand gun. I agree that focusing on the reset as opposed to focusing on a smooth trigger pull is a bad move, but you should be familiar and comfortable with both aspects of the trigger operation.

That said, I don't see the triple click reset as a problem in itself. I rented the original csx from my local range a few times and had no problems. It's all in the training. You can decide that you don't need to learn the reset and just allow the full travel of the trigger, or you can train and learn how it operates and become more proficient with it. No matter how you slice it, more training is the answer. Telling people to ignore any facet of the operation of their defensive piece is not the answer. Trigger reset is an important part of the operation.

 

[SoCalDep]

Knowing where your trigger reset is helps with quicker and more accurate follow up shots. One should be intimately familiar with all aspects of the operation of their defensive hand gun. I agree that focusing on the reset as opposed to focusing on a smooth trigger pull is a bad move, but you should be familiar and comfortable with both aspects of the trigger operation.

That said, I don't see the triple click reset as a problem in itself. I rented the original csx from my local range a few times and had no problems. It's all in the training. You can decide that you don't need to learn the reset and just allow the full travel of the trigger, or you can train and learn how it operates and become more proficient with it. No matter how you slice it, more training is the answer. Telling people to ignore any facet of the operation of their defensive piece is not the answer. Trigger reset is an important part of the operation.

I appreciate your post, but I disagree. Trigger reset as a function of speed and accuracy… how has that been quantified? Look at Rob Leatham shooting fast. He’s pretty fast… He flies off the trigger. He hits the target too.

When analyzing and prioritizing both speed and accuracy, one needs to understand the things that matter. Efficiency of movement matters, so less finger movement is more efficient, and that speaks to your post. The problem is, and Mike Pannone says it well in his training classes, that the time savings of moving your finger a half inch less is way overwhelmed by other tasks. Reset is such a low priority that the easy and very efficient answer is to simply do it as quickly as possible to focus on other stuff. Anything further is getting into the weeds of minimal gains for inefficient focus… unless you’re trying to be perfect and the best… and let’s face it… none of us here are.

What’s worse, is that it gives an excuse for the people that ride the trigger to reset… and fire off reset. It’s a horrible habit that is hard to break and widely taught by the ignorant. Hearing clicks when firing and using them as any indication of how to deal with the trigger is so wrong as to be in my mind negligent.

I don’t say this out of ignorance. I say it out of training a lot of people to shoot, and a lot of people to stop pinning the trigger, firing off reset, and doing the things they were taught that made them worse than they could be. It was a hard road for me for a bit to realize that what I was taught for a long time was wrong, and I’ve seen that realization and battle for a lot of people. For that, I won’t be kind or tolerant here of things that I know are wrong.

To sum up this post and bring it back to the subject, my recommendation is to press the trigger right for the situation, reset it as fast as frigin’ possible, and then if appropriate, do it again until needs are met.

 

[dben002]

I appreciate your post, but I disagree. Trigger reset as a function of speed and accuracy… how has that been quantified? Look at Rob Leatham shooting fast. He’s pretty fast… He flies off the trigger. He hits the target too.

When analyzing and prioritizing both speed and accuracy, one needs to understand the things that matter. Efficiency of movement matters, so less finger movement is more efficient, and that speaks to your post. The problem is, and Mike Pannone says it well in his training classes, that the time savings of moving your finger a half inch less is way overwhelmed by other tasks. Reset is such a low priority that the easy and very efficient answer is to simply do it as quickly as possible to focus on other stuff. Anything further is getting into the weeds of minimal gains for inefficient focus… unless you’re trying to be perfect and the best… and let’s face it… none of us here are.

What’s worse, is that it gives an excuse for the people that ride the trigger to reset… and fire off reset. It’s a horrible habit that is hard to break and widely taught by the ignorant. Hearing clicks when firing and using them as any indication of how to deal with the trigger is so wrong as to be in my mind negligent.

I don’t say this out of ignorance. I say it out of training a lot of people to shoot, and a lot of people to stop pinning the trigger, firing off reset, and doing the things they were taught that made them worse than they could be. It was a hard road for me for a bit to realize that what I was taught for a long time was wrong, and I’ve seen that realization and battle for a lot of people. For that, I won’t be kind or tolerant here of things that I know are wrong.

To sum up this post and bring it back to the subject, my recommendation is to press the trigger right for the situation, reset it as fast as frigin’ possible, and then if appropriate, do it again until needs are met.

see my apology post tonight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!