Did I do wrong?? A bit of a rant --

Blkcat

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This past week, I attended a premier international equestrian competition - the FEI World Cup Finals for Dressage and Show Jumping. Something like 23 countries were represented.

At the semi-final round of the show jumping, a family (I think) was seated two rows in front of me. I won't bother to describe the entire family - suffice it to say that the adult male (presumably the father) was attired in sequin studded eyeglasses and cap, as was the son - probably in the 20 - 25 Yr, age range.

It so happened that a German national won that leg of the event, so at the awards ceremony, they played the German National Anthem, and the announcer asked everyone to "Stand and remove cover" to show proper respect. The two yahoos (father and son) in front of me stood, but did not take off their hats, nor did they stand respectfully - instead they did a lot of gesturing and general "jacking around". That kind of ticked me off, but I bit my tongue and didn't do anything about it.

The next day at the finals, the only one of that crew that was there in time for the opening ceremony was the "kid". During the presentation of the flag and playing and singing of the 'Star Spangled Banner', the kid kept his hat on, did lots of stretching and gawking around, and generally seemed totally unaware of the fact that this was a situation that should have been met with some degree of respect.

That really ticked me off! I am a Vietnam Vet and retired Air Force Officer, and I remember all too well the greeting those of us lucky enough to come home alive received upon our return. I don't take well to displays of disrespect for our country and our flag.

When the last notes of the Anthem had sounded, I stepped down to the kid's row, tapped him on the shoulder, and when he turned around, I snatched the cap off his head, shoved it into his chest, and said "The next time you hear the National Anthem, take off your cap and show some respect". The kid's eyes were about the size of saucers, but he didn't say a word. I went back to my seat and no one around me said a word either. Later the father and the rest of the group arrived and I expected some kind of confrontation, but nothing happened.

Interestingly enough, during the closing ceremony at the end of the competition they played the U.S. National Anthem again. The father was not wearing a hat, but the kid snatched his cap off and held it over his heart. He still goofed around more than I liked, but sometimes you have to take pleasure in even a small victory.

My wife and daughter were late for the start of the event too, so they did not witness this episode, but when I told them what had happened, they seemed to think I should have been more diplomatic - maybe not snatching the kid's cap off his head - maybe just pointing out to him in a more gentle fashion that he should show proper respect to the flag.

I think that if I had done that, he would have just shrugged it off and not learned a thing. Regardless, it was worth it to see his eyeballs bug out when I grabbed his cap. By the way - he probably stood 6 inches taller and outweighed me by 50 pounds, so it's not like I was beating up on a poor little kid.

Did I over react?? I'm interested in your opinions.

Sorry for the long rant -- Blkcat out.
 
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This past week, I attended a premier international equestrian competition - the FEI World Cup Finals for Dressage and Show Jumping. Something like 23 countries were represented.

At the semi-final round of the show jumping, a family (I think) was seated two rows in front of me. I won't bother to describe the entire family - suffice it to say that the adult male (presumably the father) was attired in sequin studded eyeglasses and cap, as was the son - probably in the 20 - 25 Yr, age range.

It so happened that a German national won that leg of the event, so at the awards ceremony, they played the German National Anthem, and the announcer asked everyone to "Stand and remove cover" to show proper respect. The two yahoos (father and son) in front of me stood, but did not take off their hats, nor did they stand respectfully - instead they did a lot of gesturing and general "jacking around". That kind of ticked me off, but I bit my tongue and didn't do anything about it.

The next day at the finals, the only one of that crew that was there in time for the opening ceremony was the "kid". During the presentation of the flag and playing and singing of the 'Star Spangled Banner', the kid kept his hat on, did lots of stretching and gawking around, and generally seemed totally unaware of the fact that this was a situation that should have been met with some degree of respect.

That really ticked me off! I am a Vietnam Vet and retired Air Force Officer, and I remember all too well the greeting those of us lucky enough to come home alive received upon our return. I don't take well to displays of disrespect for our country and our flag.

When the last notes of the Anthem had sounded, I stepped down to the kid's row, tapped him on the shoulder, and when he turned around, I snatched the cap off his head, shoved it into his chest, and said "The next time you hear the National Anthem, take off your cap and show some respect". The kid's eyes were about the size of saucers, but he didn't say a word. I went back to my seat and no one around me said a word either. Later the father and the rest of the group arrived and I expected some kind of confrontation, but nothing happened.

Interestingly enough, during the closing ceremony at the end of the competition they played the U.S. National Anthem again. The father was not wearing a hat, but the kid snatched his cap off and held it over his heart. He still goofed around more than I liked, but sometimes you have to take pleasure in even a small victory.

My wife and daughter were late for the start of the event too, so they did not witness this episode, but when I told them what had happened, they seemed to think I should have been more diplomatic - maybe not snatching the kid's cap off his head - maybe just pointing out to him in a more gentle fashion that he should show proper respect to the flag.

I think that if I had done that, he would have just shrugged it off and not learned a thing. Regardless, it was worth it to see his eyeballs bug out when I grabbed his cap. By the way - he probably stood 6 inches taller and outweighed me by 50 pounds, so it's not like I was beating up on a poor little kid.

Did I over react?? I'm interested in your opinions.

Sorry for the long rant -- Blkcat out.
 
My congratulations go out to you..our President could take a lesson from your actions when someone shows disrespect to the USA.
 
You did fine. If the family will not teach manners then sometimes an outsider must step in. I guarantee you that you made a lasting impression on the young man.

I once took a teen aside who was a perpetual troublemaker and threatened him with some physical harm if I caught him screwing with me again. This was very unlike me but he had been trying to get my goat and he did.
About ten years later, he stopped by my work to introduce me to his family. He had become a contractor and was doing well in life.

Before he left he pulled me aside and thanked me for scaring him as a teenager. He said that it did start him thinking straight.

Sometimes the possibility of physical action is all that will get attention.
 
Sir,
Free folks all over thank you and all others for your service then, and at the 'show'. Step up always, hopefully one of us will be there to cover your 6.
thanks again
tb
 
Bravo!! We need that done more often. Too many folks are disrespectful during the National Anthem.
 
Thank you, Sir, for being a right wing veteran extremist.
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Blkcat,

you sir, are an extremist. My brother was in the Air Force and my cousin (Also Air Force) flew over 140 missions in Viet Nam.

Thank you for your service!
 
Outstanding! Well done! Bravo!

I too tell people to remove their hats when the national anthem is playing, and I'm a relatively young guy. The thing that boggles my mind is that a lot of the jokers I see around me who dn't remove their hats are older guys who you think would have been from a generation that showed more respct for such a thing.
 
My hat is off to you sir for your service to our great country and for having the courage to teach one who was disrespecting its flag and national anthem proper respect. Bravo! Well done!
 
Eh. The hat grabbing part, esp. if you shoved the guy, probably would rank as assault (or battery) in many (most?) states. One of the rights you ostensibly fought for is not standing for the national anthem, or even burning the flag if one wanted to. That's just how it is. You might not like it, but that doesn't give you the right to touch someone else and attempt to force your interpretation of what values one ought hold onto them. Places where someone gets beat up for not saluting the flag, praising the leadership, or standing for the anthem tend to be unpleasant ones.

Regarding the German national anthem, suppose someone was an elderly World War 2 veteran? Would you have wanted him to take his hat off and respect it? How about the grandson of Holocaust survivors? Shrug.
 
Geez, who the .......appointed you the thought police?

I was a vet, I went to Vietnam blah blah blah. Yeah, well so did I.

You are darned lucky the young man didn't simply find the nearest police officer, yeah I was one of those also, and had you arrested for assault if not assault and battery.

Sorry that the new world doesn't look like you think it should or that people don't respect the same things or instatutiuons as you but then they aren't required to.

While the young man and his family were lacking in common courtesy you have zero idea if they even knew they were doing something that would provoke you are not fit your ideals.

You said it yourself, people from 23 foriegn nations attended. Do they all know the rules of the road as you describe them?

RWT
 
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