Dirty bore stabilizes cast bullet, clean bore does not?

I have several Nylon 66's. When purchased a few had so much gunk in them, it required a "putty" knife to clean. And yes I can take them apart. They worked dirty, So? The rifling in a 22 magically does not get fouled??

Yes, you can shoot thousands of rounds through them as you can any gun. The infamous Glock, XD, Berreta tests. Doesn't mean that accuracy does not suffer. I only used 223 as it is a 22 bullet.

So apples or oranges it still is no "proof" that a 22 is any different than any other caliber. Find a statistically valid test that proves a 22 need not be cleaned??

It's a firearm like any other tool, it needs to be cleaned.

This article is about Marlins but the gist is the same. It's even written in Western Wisdom;)

Western Wisdom: Cleaning a Marlin .22 Rimfire Rifle

No.

Unless you are using a propellant that creates hard crud in the bore (blackpowder) or shooting undersized cast bullets that are plugging up the rifling, you don't need to be cleaning the bore.

My Marlin Guide Gun is an example: Perfectly clean bore equals wide groups. After about 5-6 shots the groups have tightened up. My theory is that my Marlin's barrel, which has various restrictions from stamped nomenclature and broach-cut dovetails, gets filled in and smoothed out from the "fouling shots". This is true with jacketed and cast (more pronounced with cast).

Maybe if I owned something with an after market, high-quality barrel I would have different experience.

Regarding 22lr, I was simply passing on what the expert shooters do.
 
I sent a Nylon #66 to a friend that was a missionary in Africa. He used it to shoot monkeys with. Even shot 2 bush fowl(guinea fowl) with one shot, once.

Rule, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Seemed a bit harsh to our friend Paul, dude!

He probably is just drawing on the gazillion years of experience he personally has had with his original Nylon #66. No need to get argumentative! :D


Personally, I clean them all. 22LR to 45 Colt and everything inbetween.

Just me though!
 
I also have to state that I have never cleaned a handgun like I have a high powered rifle upon break in. I have a .358WSSM that got completely cleaned between each and every shot for the first 25 rounds. Then, only after the next 5 rounds and now only after every 50. (or so)

The ONLY reason that I did that was that that was the manufacturer's requirement to keep the barrel in the MOA guarantee. I did it though. Never have for a handgun, then again, I ain't shooting 100 yards with my Glock 21 for a sub MOA group, either!

MOBG (minute of bad guy) @ 50' would be good enough for that! ;)
 
Rule, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Seemed a bit harsh to our friend Paul, dude!

He probably is just drawing on the gazillion years of experience he personally has had with his original Nylon #66. No need to get argumentative! :D

Excuse me. I was not argumentative. To state that a 22 "Never" needs to be cleaned? come on.

In your own words.
"Neither of us needs someone running interference for us."

Talk about calling the kettle black. Perhaps you should look at your previous posts on the H110 saga and see who is being rude. All the highlights, underlines etc. You know whats rude? Calling someone Dude, I am not a DUDE. Calling a local gun shop person a Pusher, that's rude.

So between you and Paul you guys know everything.

Easy way to solve this. I will continue to clean my guns, those that don' want to, certainly don't have to.

Oh by the way, I collect Nylon rifles ,so I know a bit about them. Using the marketing trick shooting proves nothing. You can shoot 1000 rounds out of pretty much any gun.

But that's not the point. A 22 shoots a projectile with lube, uses powder just like any other gun. Like I said, must be magic self cleaning bullets:rolleyes:
 
Well, at least we found your "UP" button! :D

Those terms are used as slang and our local "gun/reloading components/pusher" doesn't mind! In fact, when he sees us addicts coming in for a "fix" he kinda agrees! Dude! ;)

Sorry if that seems rude, just a manner of speech! :D
 
p.s. Well, we will certainly agree on one thing, I clean EVERY gun I own. 2 reasons: #1; that's the way my dad taught me. #2; that's the way the Marine Corps taught me.

If it takes a bit to settle in the next time I shoot it, that is fine with me. I am going to shoot anyway, right? So, I shoot for a group after 5 shots. Okay, I'm good with that.

The whole thing about the cleaning of the bore when you are breaking in a barrel, I didn't say I agreed with that, I just did it to keep my warranty valid.

Do you clean your firearms (should have read: handguns!) like that when you break them in? If so, that is the first I have ever heard of anyone doing that. Not that its wrong or anything, just the first I've ever heard of doing it for a pistol.
 
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Seriously, you collect Nylons?

And Ruger M II pistols, 10/22 rifles, High Standards, Marlin 39's, Mossbergs, Brownings, Ithaca and of course SW revolvers and guess what?. Everyone of them has been cleaned. But heck what do I know? Only been shooting them since I was a Boy Scout (Life) Think I still have some merit badges.

Never broke in a barrel except as I mentioned a Savage 223 Varmint which was one of the few brand new guns I bought. Kinda of a half arse break in as I think that's a bunch of bull also. No never broke in a handgun

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I'm with you on cleaning, friend. Just can't get away from that. Old habits die hard.

That being said, my M25 -7 is a sight! 200 rounds of Unique under a 280gr LSWC! NASTY! But it was fun shooting those decorative pumpkins or gourds or whatever she called them before she donated them to the "target" bag! ;)

I am loading some I.P.P. under some 200gr LSWC and 230gr LRN. Maybe it will bring the POA and POI together. With those heavier bullets it shoots about 4" high @ 25 yards with the rear sight all of the way down.

At any rate, clean is good.
 
Rule3's Apache looks better than mine... :(

I need to fix my front sight.
 
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