Disassembly help request

[Pa_rangemaster]

I have a stupid problem. I hope this is the right spot to post it. I'm the rangemaster for my PD so get any firearm issues dropped on my desk. Today I had an officer bring me his duty pistol. It's a Glock 23 and he somehow managed to put a S&W SD9 VE slide on it. He stripped both handguns to clean them and screwed up the reassembly. I've tried everything I can think of. The slide is fully on the frame. I can move the slide back less than an inch. I can't pull the slide back far enough to take the back plate off. I can not remove the trigger pin on the frame since I can't move the slide release up to help with removal. I'm at a loss here what to do. I got the gun after Glock closed at 4:30 PM. I spoke to a gal at S&W customer service but she had no clue. I'll call Glock in the morning but I'm hoping to get the issue fixed tonight so he can work tomorrow. As of now his only other handgun is a Glock subcompact G27. Any ideas would be appreciated.

 

[LI Ammo]

Forgive the cheekiness, can you get him reassigned to the Fire Department?

 

[LI Ammo]

Seriously, a Glock lower is cheap enough, cut it off with a Dremel tool.

 

[guzzitaco]

sent you 2 private messages and 2 emails...

hope it helps

 

[GaryS]

I was thinking that he's a perfect candidate for dispatch.

Forgive the cheekiness, can you get him reassigned to the Fire Department?

 

[Kurusu]

I say. That fellow should run for Congress.

Edit. An explanation is in order.
The OP just reminded me of this(talking about the Don Martin sticker on the cover):

 

[stansdds]

What? How do you...? Ok, until he gets reassigned to a desk job, I say issue him one of these.

It's made of wood, impossible to reassemble with parts from anything.

 

[Bullet Bob]

Based on all the internet postings I read about "will this fit this", I think it's more likely it was a deliberate attempt to see if it would work, instead of a "mistake".

Wonder which manufacturer you would send it to for repair, S&W or Glock?

 

[Double-O-Dave]

Hi Pa_rangemaster:

Welcome to the Forum. About 25 years ago, I knew an officer that was on the local PD's SWAT team. Unlike some LEOs, he was a "gun nut", and we often talked about firearms whenever we bumped into each other. One day he told me that the PD was testing the new S&W Sigma pistol and that many of the LEOs involved in the testing thought it was an extremely close copy of the Glock 17. He said that to test this theory one of the testers mounted the Sigma upper to the Glock lower without much difficulty. No one wanted to see if the Franken-gun would actually fire, and problems arose when they tried to disassemble their creation. As I recall he told me neither S&W nor Glock wanted anything to do with this problem. I don't know whatever happened in this situation, or if they were ever able to resolve it satisfactorily.

Best of luck to you.

Regards,

Dave

 

[gwpercle]

Forgive the cheekiness, can you get him reassigned to the Fire Department?

I just can't believe this story.....
The guy is a LEO , carries guns , must be smart enough to pass the test , but disassembles two different guns at the same time and can't tell one from the other....
Heaven Help this poor guy .

 

[vigil617]

OP, welcome to the Forum, and thanks for coming here for advice on a thorny problem. Please excuse those who ignore your request for assistance and, instead, can't pass up the opportunity to bash someone else instead. It happens here sometimes, but it certainly doesn't help with what you are asking for.

I wish I had an answer for you, but I don't, though it seems to me that Double O Dave's response indicates neither company is likely to be able to help you with this. Good luck with it, and you have my sympathy for someone else's problem becoming yours by default.

By the way, member Fastbolt here is an expert in all things S&W Semi-Auto and is an armorer himself. Might drop him a Private Message and see if he has any ideas, in case he doesn't happen upon this thread and respond.

 

[misswired]

Take a zizz wheel and dremel the slide cover off.


Disclaimer: I Have No Idea If This Will Work!

 

[ken158]

Take 2 identical guns and disassemble. Carefully examine the differences and try to figure out what may be holding the affected gun/slide together.

 

[flagman1776]

OK, just for the record, I'm not buying the story. Moving on... I'd find another pair of pistols... NO! don't do it again. but examine the components to see if you can identify the source of the hang up. I might try removing the barrel & studying the interface.

It occurs to me... that destroying a serial numbered part might be a problem. Destroying a slide... easier to part to replace.

S&W SD9VE & SD40VE vs Glock G19 & G23 - Weapons Forum

 

[Double-O-Dave]

Actually I think ken158 and flagman1776 may be on the right track - maybe take similar handguns (SD9 upper and Glock 23 lower) and strip the slide (barrel and recoil spring). If possible, slowly and very carefully mount it to the lower receiver. At the points where you meet resistance, stop and study it and see what you're hanging up on - I would not force anything. This might give you a better idea of what you're hanging up on with your current franken-mess. Vigil617 has a great suggestion as well and hopefully Fastbolt can help you. Please let us know how this turns out - I'd really like to know the solution.

Best of luck,

Dave

 

[BigBoy99]

Keep track of the hours you spend solving the problem and then charge the offender with labor costs. Might wake the guy up and help solve the stupidity problem.

 

[gwpercle]

Thinking about this , the most logical explanation is probably curiosity , not ..."Oh gee , I made a mistake" .
Reguardless of how it happened , the parts went together and should come apart without cutting something up. It's just a matter of finding what little part is holding it together . No idea what it could be but there must be a way to untangle them. Probably something small and hard to reach !
Reminds me of two buck deer , fighting over a doe and getting their antlers locked together !
Good luck with this one ,
Gary

 

[NewSport]

Maybe you can flood the slide and barrel with lubricant (up through the mag well, along the slide rails, down around hood,etc.). If you can catch the edge of your work bench on the front edge of the slide and lean on the grip with all your weight, you may move the slide back enough to see what is wrong. Almost sounds like the guide rod/spring has come loose and bound it up, but just a guess. Good luck...

 

[JohnHL]

I may be "mis-remembering" but I seem to recall this happening before and I believe the solution was to use a wooden dowel rod (or a long pencil, eraser first) to stick up into the mag well and depress a lever on the underside of the slide.

I don't recall if it required pulling the trigger simultaneously.

I hope this helps.

John

 

[bigggbbruce]

A Glock and an SD9..

Dumpster.. for both.. not much to be missed.