Ejection Back to Face

[bjb4242]

I have an M&P 9 FS that I sent back to S&W twice because it ejects spent brass back at me. After getting it back the second time I saw that they replaced the barrel, but there was no written description of the work performed.

I function checked it earlier today, and now it ejects empties back at me worse than it did before. Out of 50 rounds of Federal 115 grain FMJ, almost every single spent case hit me. Needless to say I am angry.

Has anyone else experienced persistent brass to the face with their M&P 9? I also have an M&P 45, but it ejects perfectly.

 

[patsfan1281]

ejects strait back to the head huh? Never the body always the head?

 

[W.E.G.]

Change to a different ammo.

The stuff that costs a $1.63 per round usually doesn't bean folks as bad as the 23¢ stuff.

 

[bulldogman]

I don't have a 9 FS but I do have a Shield and 9c. Went to the range the other day with my Shield and started out shooting the cheap Tulamo Brass Max, every shot ejected back at my face, I then shot Remington, Federal and PMC with no problems, every shot ejected with force and to my right. All I can gather from this is that the Tulamo may be a weak round. If you haven't already done it try some different ammo and maybe a new recoil spring.

If this is happening with all types of ammo then i would send it back again, if they can't fix it tell them you want a new gun that functions properly.

 

[W.E.G.]

Yep, and if you are hellbent on shooting the cheapest ammo you can find, you are probably shooting it at the range.

Which means you can hack on the recoil spring until the gun throws the cheap cases somewhere else.

Then put the "good" spring back in the gun when you put your $1.63 "carry" ammo back in it.

 

[patsfan1281]

I used 2 boxes of very cheap ammo in my FS 9 and never had anything eject even close to my face..always way right like it should.

Now if expensive ammo doesn't do it..then you know. But still seems strange since mine won't do it

 

[W.E.G.]

I used 2 boxes of very cheap ammo in my FS 9 and never had anything eject even close to my face..always way right like it should.

Now if expensive ammo doesn't do it..then you know. But still seems strange since mine won't do it

It has to do with very fine elements of how things are machined and equally how the shooter holds the gun.

Its one of those inscrutable things that they cant "just fix" for you at the factory.

The only SURE way to not get brass to the face is to shoot a revolver.

Say......

 

[bulldogman]

I don't think a flat out determination can made that the shooter is to blame for the ejection problems, although a poor grip may be a contributinfg factor. You also have to look at ammo, ejector, extractor, chamber, recoil spring etc.. To eliminate shooter error I would have others shoot it, if it only happens when you shoot it then you have some work to do on your grip and control.

 

[bjb4242]

I have shot other M&P 9's without this problem, plus it never happens to me with my M&p45. It also has never happened to me when shooting a friend's Glocks.

I'm not going to modify the spring, and there is nothing in the manual that came with it about avoiding certain types of ammo. This is supposed to be a fighting pistol, and the idea that it is picky about certain types of ammo is totally unacceptable.

I have also shot some Federal HST ammo out of it and had the brass come back at me; it's not the ammo. Range practice with $1.63 per round ammo?? You must be joking

I would hardly call Federal a maker of **** ammo. IF S&W can't make a handgun that operates with Federal ammo, then there is something very wrong with the design. With that said, I do not think the design is bad, but I am concerned that I have a lemon.

 

[waynemrobinson]

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/311745-m-p9-ejection-weak-straight-back.html

Same old nonsense.

 

[bjb4242]

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/311745-m-p9-ejection-weak-straight-back.html

Same old nonsense.

Did your M&P ever get fixed?

 

[waynemrobinson]

Called to S&W and they sent a return auth. and when it came back, with a new barrel and new trigger all was corrected.

Annoying yes, but they did fix the problem. Which is more than I can say for the LGS. The retailers have had it too easy with the "panic nonsense" and get away with poor service.

Now the gun run is slowing, I will think seriously about who I give my business to in the future. Retail dealers are supposed to offer service and knowledge and not just an attitude of take it or leave it.

 

[hmbiohazard]

the same thing happens with my SD40ve cheap ammo comes back at me. better made ammo comes out the right side and flings far when it ejects

 

[Zjnovak]

I used 2 boxes of very cheap ammo in my FS 9 and never had anything eject even close to my face..always way right like it should.

Now if expensive ammo doesn't do it..then you know. But still seems strange since mine won't do it

Me too. Over a few months, I ran several hundred rounds of Tulammo without a hitch. As a matter of fact, I still buy Tulammo. Primarily 223 and 9mm because they are cheap (not cost effective to reload) and the steel cased ammo is plentiful, when brass is not.

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[The Viking]

Glock had this problem and had to change springs four times before resolving it. Might want to check that forum. I understand it could also be the extractor causing this. I have never had the problem with either my S&W M&P's or Glocks of all generations.

 

[highaltitude]

This happens to Glocks as well. With mass produced guns like M&P and Glock, there will be some that have issues. If the manufacturer cannot fix the gun the first time, then chances are it won't be fixed.. same thing with Glock. If I was you I would send the gun back and ask for a replacement. In Glocks case it was the ejector and spring… in the beginning. Even now they still have some problems and it's generally traced to the extractor, which is why Apex is making a FRE (Failure Resistance Extractor) for those Glocks (Gen 3 and Gen 4, primarily G19).

Send the gun back and ask for a replacement before you spend any more money… JMHO..

 

[LedFowl]

I've had two handguns that had this problem from purchase. One was a Sigma; S&W replaced the ejector and another part (I don't recall what), and that fixed the problem. The other was a SA 1911 GI model; I had the ejection port enlarged and the ejector replaced. That took care of it.

Damn annoying, especially those big, hot 45 casings bouncing off your forehead.

 

[Robotech]

Brand new out-of-the-box, after a general initial cleaning and lube, first time at the range, my FS M&P9 was ejecting at my head and above for the first few mags. But before I'd finished the first box of ammo, it was throwing the brass more to the right.

I suspect that it was a matter of the extractor both wearing-in and the lube spreading properly in the extractor slot. Remember that the extractor is held in place with a spring pin that acts as an axel, but it is initially a very tight fit in the hole in the extractor (At least it was on the second slide I assembled.), so it may take awhile for everything to loosen up and work properly.

 

[modraker]

Has anyone else experienced persistent brass to the face with their M&P 9?

There are a lot of folks who have had this problem including myself. The quickest way to solve it is to replace the 16# recoil spring with a 15# one from Brownell's. It works best with the 124 gr bullet. If you want to stay with the 16# spring, I suggest you shoot 147 gr. If you want to shoot only 115 gr, then the 14# spring is your answer.

Smith and Wesson can't or won't do it for you because the weaker recoil springs for the M&P are not among their standard parts.

 

[BobC357]

Light rounds seem to do that. Go to a heavier grain and it may clear up. I went to 124 gr or heavier and the problem went away. Below 124 it spits them right at me. The M&P doesn't seem to like light grain bullets.