ELIMINATION OF THE CONFEDERATE FLAG

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I think eliminating the Confederate flag will be equally as successful as
eliminating alcohol during Prohibition.

The spineless politicians fronting as anti-flaggers will be covertly waving
the flag in the depths of their basements.

I respect a sinner more then a hypocrite.
 
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South Carolina can choose what to fly in Columbia.

The Confederate flag will be around for a while, sometimes representing the South, sometimes representing anti-Black sentiment, and sometimes representing rebellion, both general adolescent rebellion, and sometimes rebellion against hypocritical "do-gooders" who think that their outlook is righteous and everyone else's is ignorant or evil or both.

Sometimes it's interesting trying to figure out which.
 
What's ironic is that Confederate Battle Flags are now flying off the shelves. You might be seeing quite a few more as a protest.
The companies that won't make or sell Confederate items will quickly be replaced by smaller niche companies looking to profit from all the fuss.

So all of this hand wringing over a flag might just have opposite the desired effect. :rolleyes:
 
Puzzled

In 1989, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that burning or desecrating the American flag was protected under "free speech".

And flying the Confederate flag is NOT protected?? I guess it's protected but not PC. Where will this BS end?

The media love this development.

I'm from Ohio and the Confederate flag doesn't bother me one bit.
 
And flying the Confederate flag is NOT protected??
Flying it over government property is dubious at best.

Flying it over or otherwise displaying it on private property is absolutely protected.

I question the motivations of a lot of BOTH the supporters of and detractors of the Confederate flag.

There are lots of distasteful things which are of trivial or no importance. The Confederate flag (in all its permutations) is one of them.
 
A million different people can look at the flag and see a million different things. And while some see it as hate others as heritage but it's a part of this Countries history. Whether or not it flies on the capital grounds will be debated again it seems, but it should not be buried nor removed from the history books.
 
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I truely saddens me that what was originally a symbol of rebellion against an overbearing government, a symbol of pride in a rich heritage and a symbol of individual freedom has been reduced to a thing of hatred merely because a few morons use it to promote they're own idiotic agenda.
Once again, those with no real knowledge of the facts have made a judgement based on emotion rather than truth. Sound familar? Think anti-gun people who choose to hate us based only on their own fear and ignorance.
The Confederate battle flag is about heritage, not hate.
 
I guess those that fly the rising sun flag will have to remove them as well....

PS: If you research the confederate flags history, the one flying over the capitol is NOT the original confederate flag.
 
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Flying it over government property is dubious at best. agree 100%

Flying it over or otherwise displaying it on private property is absolutely protected. agree 100%

I question the motivations of a lot of BOTH the supporters of and detractors of the Confederate flag.

There are lots of distasteful things which are of trivial or no importance. The Confederate flag (in all its permutations) is one of them I note your home state of Ohio ;) .
Down South it is a bit more complicated-We lost and got totally sacked. The confederate flag to many is a reminder of the past with nothing to do with race (although race is inexorably intertwined). Free speech my man-pure and simple. I don't fly it simply because is is not the flag of my country or state. The three flags I DO fly are the US flag, the State of Louisiana Flag and when on the boat the cocktail hour flag.
 
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Reading the news this morning, People are discussing the removal of statutes around the south of the great leaders and generals of the Civil War. There is even a discussion of Stone Mountain in Atlanta and the need to "remove" this piece of history.

Even discussion of removal of the Washington and Jefferson memorials in Washington, DC because of their ownership of slaves.

I believe that the flag should not be flown over any capital building or any state government building. Also if they have a war memorial on those grounds, then that flag should fly at that memorial. This country and out leaders, long dead now, decided that ALL the men who were in the Civil War are Veterans of the United States of America. They should be treated as such and it was this flag that they fought.

Several of my Great grandfathers and great great grandfathers fought for the south, that is where my people have been for 300+ years. Most did not own slaves, they were trying to protect their homes from an invading army.

Their memory must be respected, if we as a civilization are going to be able to hold our head up as a moral, just people who have respect for our forefathers and our history. We are here for a lot of purposes, and the honor and respect of those who contributed to the DNA in us is part of that purpose.

People who want to hate will always hate. Removal of these flags will change nothing except to further divide this great nation. Is their no love or respect left in this country if I do not agree with your beliefs 100 %?
 
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So all of this hand wringing over a flag might just have opposite the desired effect. :rolleyes:

As has the anti-gun crusade. This country's citizens are armed to the hilt, like never before in history. Gun and ammo companies have grown leaps and bounds to support the demand.
 
My heart is heavy this morning. For those of you who have no roots in the southern states, please read the following, so you may understand.

Charge to the Sons of Confederate Veterans

"To you, Sons of Confederate Veterans, we will commit the vindication of the cause for which we fought. To your strength will be given the defense of the Confederate soldier's good name, the guardianship of his history, the emulation of his virtues, the perpetuation of those principles which he loved and which you love also, and those ideals which made him glorious and which you also cherish."

Lt. General Stephen Dill Lee, Commander General,
United Confederate Veterans,
New Orleans, Louisiana, April 25, 1906.

The following was written by Dean Boggs in 1979. It sums up how we feel inside.

Why I Am a Member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans

BECAUSE I have a deep sense of loyalty to my family and that especially includes my great Grandfather, who, as a private in the Confederate Army with no hope of recognition except that his sacrifice would be remembered by his family, gave his life in defense of his country, his home and those who would come after him.

BECAUSE I believe in the promise of the Man of Galilee, of life after death. As my great grandfather looks down upon me from the Valhalla of Confederate heroes I want him to know that I am not ungrateful, that I remember and honor his bravery and sacrifice.

BECAUSE I have so much to be proud of in the Confederate Army. Its brilliant fight, under conditions of extreme privation, against an enemy overwhelming in numbers and equipment, so won the admiration of the world that 100 years later, a group of retired British Army and Navy officers organized the Confederate Historical Society of Great Britain, headquartered in London, to study its campaigns. In 1974, a group of Belgians organized the Confederate Historical Society of Belgium, based in Brussels, for the same reason and purpose. The Southern Skirmisher's ***'n in England re-enacts battles of the War. Some members have to wear the Blue but typical of the sentiment, is one sturdy English Confederate who told a reporter: "...one Southern fighting man was worth two Yankees. I would never be anything but a Southerner."

No other army in history has been paid such a tribute by foreigners over a century after the war in which it was engaged. Are foreigners to admire and honor the valor of the Confederate soldier in my family while I remain indifferent?

BECAUSE I Love the South and I am proud to be a Southerner. I am proud of the culture, grace and elegance of the Old South, of our heritage of courage, honor, chivalry, respect for womanhood, patriotism, and of duty to God and country. I love the Confederate Flag and "Dixie" as stirring symbols of that heritage. I take pride in the earlier leading role the Old South played in the Revolutionary War, the drafting of the Constitution and the founding of the United States. I love the "Star Spangled Banner" and the Flag of the United States, and I served under that flag in World War II.

BECAUSE our Southern heritage has served our nation well since 1865. No section has surpassed the South in percentage of volunteers to defend our country in time of war. And, the Southern people, who lost everything in the War, and without government aid, had to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, traditionally adhere to the free enterprise system with its liberty and opportunity for all as opposed to the dictatorship of the welfare state with its liberty and opportunity for none.

BECAUSE even today, some of our school books, movies, television programs and press falsely portray Southerners as rebels and traitors who fought to preserve slavery, misleading our children and millions of Americans ignorant of history. Since my family fought for the Confederacy, they thereby falsely malign my family and me.

BECAUSE there are even those who would ban "as offensive" the playing of Dixie and the display of the Confederate Flag for which so many Southerners shed their blood; who would dismantle all monuments to our Confederate dead; who would erase all honor to Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Nathan Bedford Forrest, Wade Hampton, Jeb Stuart, and all our other Southern heroes. Their purpose is to destroy our proud heritage. As Winston Churchill said, "any people with contempt for their heritage have lost faith in themselves and no nation can long survive without pride in its traditions". Our enemies know this. At the same time of the movement to ban the display of the Confederate Flag, during the Vietnam War, we saw our American Flag spat upon, burned, and the flag of an enemy nation with whom we were at war, paraded through the streets of our Nation's Capitol.

BECAUSE I intend to defend my family's honor and remember the sacrifice of my Great Grandfather, Wilson L. Dykes, private in the Confederate Army, and because it is my patriotic duty to my country, I belong to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a respected, non-partisan, patriotic organization dedicated to preserving our Southern Heritage for ourselves, our children, and our children's children, and to seeing that the history of the Confederate States of America and the war fought in its defense, is truthfully recorded.

I should also add that my membership is a pleasure because through the programs at SCV meetings I have become much better informed about the most fascinating War in our history, and through SCV social activities I have made many warm friendships, both locally and all over the country. Those of us who belong to the Sons of Confederate Veterans do so:

"In testimony of our love, recalling deeds immortal, heroism unsurpassed."
"With ranks unbroken, ragged, starved and decimated, the Southern soldier for duty's sake, undaunted stood to the front of the battle until no light remained to illumine the field of carnage, save the luster of his chivalry and courage."

We are determined that your glory be not forgot, as long as fame her record keeps.

January, 1979
Dean Boggs
Kirby-Smith Camp, No. 1209
Sons of Confederate Veterans
Jacksonville, Florida
 
I want a rebel flag for Christmas. Can I say Christmas?

How about the Ten Commandments being removed from courthouses a few years ago? Baby manger scenes?

See where this is going?

God, Guns, Heritage, Tradition, Morality, Manors and a list of other socially important things are getting chipped away in the name of socialism.

They said it would happen.
 
The position of various elected, govenrmental personnel should not be of much suprise to the common man and woman. The recent statments regarding "banning this or that" remind me of a book that was required reading for me, if not most of us, in high school.

Many, if not all of the statements, by these officials and individuals demanding this or that have, in my opinion an "Orwellian" flair to them

Here are a couple of examples:

"In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls
the present controls the past."

- George Orwell, 1984

"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obilterate
their own understanding of their history."

- George Orwell
 
Just the opinion of an old stupid Southerner, with no direct ancestors north of the Mason-Dixon Line in 1860. Some make this issue about a symbol of slavery and oppression in the South. That's an excuse. It's about rebellion and oppression of the South. (They don't want to hear about that.) 150 years later and they're still trying to squash the rebels, and "reconstruct" us.
 
As long as we are wiping clean history.............


"Slavery"..... what is this "slavery" everyone is speaking of......

IIRC......there were some " undocumented and involuntary immigrants"...from Africa...in the 17th and 18th century.........

(IIRC they had been captured and "enslaved" while still in Africa, mostly by other tribes or Muslim traders.........)

that were smuggled into the US by Coyotes (IIRC; they were called "Blackbirders" back then).

Just glad my family was lucky enough to come to America in the early 1800s....... we were Irish..... we had a great reception............

"Irish need not apply!" on every business................


Hey it's just History ......"forget about it...."




Now about that Flag..............


you need to learn from History........ not destroy or bury it....... and for the most part you don't want to repeat it........................
 
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