Excellence in quality vs effectiveness of handguns. What do you think?

[PERA]

Lover forged steel, mirror polished blued and terminations of yesteryear in the manufacture of revolvers and pistols, it seems that buyers now do not care about this?

By way of example, S & W model 10-5 service weapon, has forged frame, mirror polished, beautiful bronzed!, A walnut grips with checkering medallos topped by a beautiful silver.

Now any revolver S & W, has forged frame, completion, is terrible, is lightweight, has a better view available, such as optical fiber, weighs the third part, and the handles are rubber compensates for the low weight to better control the recoil.

Technology has replaced the Masters. No longer masterpieces weapons are manufactured, but guns are just tools.

They may be more effective, I do not think so.
The point is that the weapons are made regardless of their endings and it seems that no consumer cares.
Only cares if you have more firepower, if less, etc. Undoubtedly, the manufacturer gives the consumer what the requests.
But beware, prices should have fallen, like all the rest automotive industry, construction, and appliances. technology has brought down costs, but the weapons become increasingly lower quality and the lack of mastery of technology is replaced and no one seems to care. what do you think?

The weapons were masterpieces, now micro molding, polycarbonate, and rubber and plastics, have become useful to defend themselves, to achieve a target or kill WEAPONS ARE LEAVING TO HAVE SPIRIT, IF ONLY TO BE SIMPLE USEFUL EFFECTIVE AND HAVE NO SPIRIT, readily disposable.

 

[Tom_R]

What about Sig Sauers, H&Ks, FNs, CZs, Berettas and S&W Performance Center guns among others?

Or one of the many, many manufacturers of high quality 1911s?

Sure craftsmanship like yesteryear with hand fitting and polishing is not something we will see, but there are several options for high quality guns out there.

 

[Jack Flash]

Oh I think consumers care. But no one would or could pay the cost of the type of craftsmanship you describe.

Current products are pretty good for what they cost.

 

[sailor723]

You can always do what I do and mostly buy stuff made 40-100 years ago.

 

[S42N8]

While (I think) most here would agree that craftsmanship has been largely forsaken for price point, reliability is certainly improved. Tom R makes a good counterargument for Sigs, H&Ks and semi custom/custom 1911s...but price reflects craftsmanship. That said, most any of today's reputable manufacturer guns run tolerably well out of the box, which could not be said for most 1911s in the '70s, or a lot of the early Taurus guns, etc. I like blued steel & walnut grips guns; they speak to me. Polymer guns have no soul, but their utility is (IMO) unarguable. Different horses for different courses.

 

[sailor723]

While (I think) most here would agree that craftsmanship has been largely forsaken for price point, reliability is certainly improved. Tom R makes a good counterargument for Sigs, H&Ks and semi custom/custom 1911s...but price reflects craftsmanship. That said, most any of today's reputable manufacturer guns run tolerably well out of the box, which could not be said for most 1911s in the '70s, or a lot of the early Taurus guns, etc. I like blued steel & walnut grips guns; they speak to me. Polymer guns have no soul, but their utility is (IMO) unarguable. Different horses for different courses.

I think you hit the nail on the head. A Glock works and keeps on working but a K-38 masterpiece is beautiful.

Here in Canada we cannot carry and regulations require handguns to be stored unloaded and locked up. The way i see it, unless you're into one of the action shooting sports, you might as well go with pretty.

 

[BAM-BAM]

LOL the only thing I see going for "open carry" is that we'd see a better class of handguns.

For 2500 years men have taken great pride in his "personal weapons"...... but today with concealed carry ..... not so much............

I think we'd see a big change if we went back to open carry of our guns and knifes...........personal pride and bragging rights.......

well except for some of us here and on other Forums....... besides many of us still have BBQ guns ....if we ever get invited to a Texas BBQ

 

[Arik]

Craftsmanship is nice but not why I buy them. They are ALL self defense tools for me and I buy what's been proven assuming it fits my needs. If a model 10 can go 500k rounds (just picking a number) and a HK USP can go 500k rounds then I'll buy the HK. To me its more ammo, lighter and faster to reload.

 

[H Richard]

How do you describe it, that "something" that a fine, hand fit, shiny, with well figured wood, revolver that "speaks" to you. The feel of the quality smooth action. Yes, there are lots of "tools" out there, but a S&W is much more than a tool. That's why there are so many safe queens, as many people can't bring themselves to damage them. They usually carry a Ruger or Glock which is a "tool" not an object d art.

 

[Jack Flash]

I like what H Richard said. In addition, if (heaven forbid) you have to use a handgun for self defense / home defense, it may be taken from you, possibly never to return.

Glocks, SIGs, maybe even Rugers are easy to replace. Older S&Ws or Colts, not so much.

 

[shotgun693]

Most people learn about guns by watching movies. They learn that you must have a 15 round plastic gun or you can't defend yourself against the AK47 carrying terrorist who you run into every day.

 

[doowtag]

Most people learn about guns by watching movies. They learn that you must have a 15 round plastic gun or you can't defend yourself against the AK47 carrying terrorist who you run into every day.

I second the motion. The world is a weird place.

 

[trigger945]

There is a gun for every need or want. I don't buy a gun just for its pure utilitarian purpose, although its utility is undoubtedly important to me. Some care for a gun's beauty and craftsmanship, some don't. I happen to care.

Now this is not true for every material item that I buy. It is true for my guns, or for most of them at least.

 

[CATI1835]

Quality of fit and finish is not an indicator of reliability. The perfect example of that is the ultimate in reliability, the AK47. No one will point out how nice the finish is or perfectly the hand fitted parts come together. Yet it is arguably the most reliable firearm ever made. Give me reliability first and looks second, unless the gun is for show only.

 

[Triathloncoach]

Quality of fit and finish is not an indicator of reliability. The perfect example of that is the ultimate in reliability, the AK47. No one will point out how nice the finish is or perfectly the hand fitted parts come together. Yet it is arguably the most reliable firearm ever made. Give me reliability first and looks second, unless the gun is for show only.

Yup. A Timex vs a Rolex. What do you really want?

 

[sailor723]

A Rolex is great. (as long as you have a smart phone handy in case you to need to know the exact time)

 

[Texas Star]

Pera-

Can you buy most common handguns in Uruguay? Or, are you in Paraguay? I forgot since your prior visit here. There are still some very well made ones that are quite effective for defense.

I've never bought an ugly gun, and won't. I think H-K makes excellent guns, but they're overpriced for having a plastic frame. Glocks are ugly machines. No soul.

How are the handgun carry laws there? Is there any hunting, and are pistols legal for any field use, (La/El Caza?) Which is correct: la caza or el caza? I'm guessing the hunt may be a masculine noun?

I'm guessing that Paraguay still has some legal hunting, as does Argentina. Not sure about Uruguay.
I THINK I remember you being in Montevideo? My memory sometimes errs.

 

[PERA]

I agree that guns in recent decades are more reliable than the previous ones, this is explained by the improvement in quality that has occurred in recent years in the production of missiles. In my opinion, not accur the same with the old guns are better than those of today, more reliable, more accurate, and more beautiful.
I think a portable weapon, is an extension of your body and it's good to be beautiful. Beauty, it is useful. A bit of humor, remember me when a mother advises his young son on his girlfriend and says: "it is important to be nice inside," but that may not be good inside and beautiful outside? when that happens with a gun like a pretty good girl, I fall.
years the Olympics ago, USA were won with S & W masterpiece model 14, and the Russian Olympic, you know, that weapon used to compete in the Olympics ?, during the Cold War, for S & W masterpiece model 14. That's my point .

 

[PERA]

I agree that guns in recent decades are more reliable than the previous ones, this is explained by the improvement in quality that has occurred in recent years in the production of ammo. In my opinion, not accur the same with the old guns are better than those of today, more reliable, more accurate, and more beautiful.
I think a portable weapon, is an extension of your body and it's good to be beautiful. Beauty, it is useful. A bit of humor, remember me when a mother advises his young son on his girlfriend and says: "it is important to be nice inside," but that may not be good inside and beautiful outside? when that happens with a gun like a pretty good girl, I fall.
years the Olympics ago, USA were won with S & W masterpiece model 14, and the Russian Olympic, you know, that weapon used to compete in the Olympics ?, during the Cold War, for S & W masterpiece model 14. That's my point .

 

[PERA]

Forista Dear Friend "Texas Star", in my previous post, I explaye enough to explain the whole issue of Uruguay you mention. In Uruguay, there protected animal species, this is great. I agree to protect native animals. Many species are in risk of extinction .
However, there is a plague, if you can hunt, and that is dangerous for livestock and people. The wild pig, "Jabalí". This animal, it can bring down a well-placed kick ammunition 357 Mag. At close range. Often not enough to one shot. it is a hard animal abate. The most effective is with 12-gauge shotg