Extractor Follies

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A few years back, Rock Island Auction Co. sold an Illinois State Police issued Model 39. What I found interesting about that gun was the altered extractor (photo attached).


As most of you probably know, the original 39 extractor was a large, one piece affair made of spring steel that slipped into a groove in the side of the slide. It was simple, elegant, and certainly seemed robust enough, but in service proved too susceptible to fracturing. The 39-2's solution was a more conventional, smaller extractor that swiveled on a pinned axis and was powered by a small coil spring set behind it to the rear of the pivot point.


In this workaround, the wide 39 extractor profile is retained, the back piece evidently being but a filler. A hole has been drilled to accommodate the insertion of a pin around which an equally wide claw portion can rotate. I'd presume there's a hidden spring that powers its latching onto the cartridge case. In other words, this is essentially the 39-2's system designed to fit in the extractor recess of a 39 slide.


I don't know if this work was done at the factory, or whether kits were provided whereby an agency armorer or a contractor could make the modification. It'd seem to be a stretch (and a liability) to suppose that the Illinois State Police (or any other law enforcement agency) would've engineered this fix on their own. Frankly, it seems to me that a more logical and efficient procedure, either from S&W's or the customer's standpoint, would've been to simply swap out the 39 slides for 39-2 ones (as they're certainly interchangeable), than to put this much effort into a makeshift reworking of each individual pistol.
 

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In my somewhat limited experience with Smit, Colt, and Hi Standard auto pistols, all of them seem to do better if the first round isloaded from the mag, and itcertainly doesn’t hurt any of them to do it that way.

It seemed that when I was shooting Bullseye, if I loaded the first round into my Hi Standard by dropping it into the chamber then dropping the slide forward, I would sometimes get flyer, but I didn’t load it this way often enough to really see a pattern.

Froggie
 
I think this is similar to loading an A3-03. If you just push the round down into the mag and charge the chamber, its easier than dropping the round in the chamber and closing the bolt. The rim is suppose to slide up under the claw. Just load from the mag as designed.
 
From what I've seen ALL semi auto handgun designs bar one use a "controlled feed" like a Mauser rifle. The round is supposed to slide up from the magazine with the extractor engaging the extractor groove in the process. The only exceptions I know of are the Beretta designed pistols with the "tip-up" barrel.

I suspect that many think it's OK to drop a round in the chamber because it's what they do with shotguns and single shot rifles. You can also do it on bolt action rifles that use a "push feed" where the extractor snaps over into the extractor groove of the case or over the rim for a rimmed cartridge. This is how it's done with Savage rifles in many rimless calibers, and with rimmed rounds like .303 British and 7.62x54R.
 
LVSteve, well said. You reminded me of all the technical terms for extractor
terminology. And the Berettas, I had forgotten about. Man, I use to sell the poop out of those little 22s and 25s.
 
I once ruined the extractor on a 1911 because I had been dropping in chamber and slam shut. Got to where it wouldn't function properly. Took me months to figure out what I did. Bought new extractor, fit it and made it a point to never drop in chamber again. Haven't had a feed issue since.

The 1911s have a solid extractor and they are designed to feed from mag. Lots of modern semi-autos have a spring operated extractor, so they can be dropped in chamber without damaging the extractor. Although, I do maintain the habit of always loading from chamber anyway.
Rosewood
 
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