FBI: "Ma" Barker, Winstead, "Doc" White Et AL

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Folks, I wasn't sure where to post this so if it has to be moved that's fine, or pass along to others interested.

My recent review of FBI documents regarding the shootout in Jan. '35 between the Bureau and "Ma" Barker and son, Fred has led to the finding of several documents that will be of interest in answering some questions. I've also obtained the statements of Agents Charles Winstead and "Doc" White who were present and have posted them at our site to alleviate the many questions that surfaced from many regarding their role that day, weapons carried, etc.

For some interesting Sunday afternoon reading, stop by our site here and read more about the incident.

FBI Shooting - Fred & Kate "Ma" Barker - Dusty Roads Of An FBI Era

Enjoy
Larry Wack
Retired SA, FBI (68-03)
 
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Larry, thanks for posting this. As always, very interesting and historic information you always bring to the table.
Regards
Chuck Odom
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Larry;

Your website is a National Treasure for us old retired cops who remember and worked with the 'brick agents' of decades past. I grew up as a LE (local) pup hearing stories about some of these guys from the then-old agents who had actually worked with them and from the likes of Lester Limerick at FBI Gunsmithing schools (he started under Hank Sloan).

Thank You so much for what you do.
 
I can say been reading an checking out this site for a about a year.
This started the same time as I joined the forum. The history is priceless and so is the education this was a very different time with very diffferent men and women.

Thanks for the update

RB
 
Larry your incredibly important contributions to the history of crime and law enforcement will be appreciated for many generations yet to arrive.

Those of us who study and enjoy this history will never be able to thank you enough.
Tony
 
In case anyone is interested, the cottage still stands (privately owned, no tours that I know of), and is in Oklawaha just west of Gator Joe's, a local dining/drinking establishment.

Kind of cool just to walk by and look it over, without pestering the owners.

(edit) It's two or three houses down, can't remember exactly, but if you look at the picture at the link provided, you'll know it when you see it.
 
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LW: As the others have posted, many thanks for the informative and interesting information on a fascinating period.
 
Wow, the guns found in the cottage we're valued then at 500
dollars. I'd love to have bought them for that much. 2 thompsons
couple of colts, 2 shotguns. With all the magazines.
Great Post. Thanks...


chuck
 
Very interesting historical info. Last year,I think,I ran across an article about the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Barrington where two agents were killed,and where Baby Face Nelson ( Lester Gillis) also received his eventually fatal wounds.
This was a bloody era in US history for sure,but always spellbinding to read the true accounts.I still have it saved and will try to post it up if there is enough interest.
 
Very interesting historical info. Last year,I think,I ran across an article about the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Barrington where two agents were killed,and where Baby Face Nelson ( Lester Gillis) also received his eventually fatal wounds.
This was a bloody era in US history for sure,but always spellbinding to read the true accounts.I still have it saved and will try to post it up if there is enough interest.
Please do.
 
Friday Marked 75th Anniversary Of “The Battle Of Barrington” And Death Of “Baby Face” Nelson
On Nov. 27, 1934 (75 years ago this week), a fierce gun battle had erupted just off a blacktop Illinois highway in a small town called Barrington, about 30 miles northwest of Chicago.

On the one side were two dangerous gangsters—the hot-headed “Baby Face” Nelson and his criminal sidekick John Paul Chase.

On the other side were two veteran special agents with the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Investigation — Sam Cowley, a high-ranking inspector who was actually spearheading the hunt for Nelson and Herman “Ed” Hollis, one of three agents who fired the shots that felled John Dillinger that summer and an important player in the pursuit of “Baby Face“ Nelson.

In less than five minutes, what came to be known as “The Battle of Barrington” would be over.

In less than 12 hours, only one of the four would still be alive to talk about it.

At the center of it all was Nelson.

Ever since he’d brutally shot and killed Bureau agent Carter Baum at a Wisconsin resort that spring — and especially after Dillinger and “Pretty Boy” Floyd had fallen — Nelson had been high atop our list of public enemies.


What's in a name? Nelson was born Lester Joseph Gillis, but took the name George Nelson as a criminal alias when he was in deep trouble with the law. He was later dubbed “Baby Face” for his boyish looks. He was also called Jimmy by some of his partners in crime.
Just 25 years old (and only a few months younger than the Bureau itself), Nelson was already a prolific and particularly violent criminal, robbing banks and reportedly murdering several lawmen and innocent bystanders along the way.

Earlier that afternoon, agents on a stakeout had spotted Nelson, his wife Helen and Chase driving in Wisconsin. They got the license plate and alerted Cowley.

By about 3:15 in the afternoon, after Nelson had disabled the car of another pair of agents with a hail of bullets, Cowley and Hollis caught up with the criminals at Barrington.

Nelson pulled off Northwest Highway 12 (now Highway 14) at the entrance of a park and prepared to do battle.

He and Chase opened fire as the agents stopped their car some 150 feet away. (Helen Gillis jumped in a nearby ditch and wasn’t involved in the shooting.)

The agents jumped out, took defensive positions and began shooting.

Cowley struck first, hitting Nelson with multiple rounds. But Nelson continued to fire, badly wounding the agent.

Hollis bravely jumped forward and hit “Baby Face” in the legs with a barrage of shotgun pellets, but Nelson fired back and killed him.

Bleeding heavily, Nelson drove off with his wife and Chase.

But by 8 p.m. that evening, Nelson had succumbed to his wounds. His body was dumped in a ditch near a cemetery — most likely by Chase — and found by Bureau agents later that evening.


The burial of Special Agent Herman “Ed” Hollis in Des Moines, Iowa. Special Agent Sam Cowley was buried in Utah and remembered “as a man capable of the highest type of professional work, who was forced by circumstances to perform his duty with a blazing revolver...a man of simplicity, true worth, dignity, honor, and a dislike of pretense or formality.”
The Bureau had taken down a major gunslinger, but the price was high.

Cowley—a steady, unassuming leader who had headed up all of the agency’s major gangster cases—died early the next morning.

His body was returned to Salt Lake City, his hometown, and laid in state in the Utah capitol.

Hollis—another effective and ultimately heroic agent—was buried in Des Moines, Iowa.

For the young Bureau, 1934 had been a pivotal year.

Working closely in every case with local and state authorities, they had taken down or helped take down Bonnie and Clyde, John Dillinger, “Pretty Boy” Floyd, Baby Face Nelson and many of their fellow gangsters.

The nation breathed a collective sigh of relief, as the gangster era passed into history.

Along the way, the agency had honed its skills and put itself on the crime-fighting map, and in 1935, it had a new name to go with its growing capabilities: the Federal Bureau of Investigation—the FBI.


ETA: The local newspaper article also had photos,including some at the funeral of Agent Herman Hollis.They did not appear when I pasted this article.

The old movie with Mickey Rooney and Carolyn Jones was actually pretty good for it's time in the fifties. He was depicted as using a Thompson in the movie but whether he actually did or not,I cannot say. Of course they all have the Hollywood touch.
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