FBI: More people killed by hammers etc than rifles

[vt_shooter]

Interesting statistic. In 2017 the FBI says more people were killed by hammers & clubs than all types of rifles combined.


FBI: More People Killed with Hammers, Clubs than with Rifles of Every Kind

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[Sistema1927]

It has never been about guns, it is all about control. A disarmed population is easier to tyrannize.

 

[vigil617]

Breitbart News is not exactly a reliable source.

FACT CHECK: More Than Four Times More People Stabbed to Death Than Killed with Rifles of Any Kind?

 

[BC38]

Breitbart News is not exactly a reliable source.

FACT CHECK: More Than Four Times More People Stabbed to Death Than Killed with Rifles of Any Kind?

Niether is snopes. They have a well proven bias as well.

 

[Rastoff]

There is no truly reliable source of news. However, it's been shown over and over, year by year, that there are more deadly things than guns.

Things that kill more people than guns:
Doctors
Cars
Power Tools
Smoking
Cancer
Stupidity

The list goes on and on. Alas, one cannot fight a position that was not founded on facts and reason with facts and reason.

 

[Old TexMex]

Actually, all those people were killed by people.

 

[vigil617]

Niether is snopes. They have a well proven bias as well.

Believe snopes or not. Just read the results of their inquiry and decide for yourself. Personally, I think their conclusion on this is more believable than that of Breitbart News, which cherry picks statistics in a way that is misleading and creates an illusion that isn't accurate -- and manipulates readers who are not discerning.

 

[Watchdog]

There is no truly reliable source of news.

I agree for the most part, but the real point (in my opinion) is that there is not one single solitary news source that does not insert its own editorial views or bias into their reporting. Not one of them does "just the facts".

However, it's been shown over and over, year by year, that there are more deadly things than guns.

Things that kill more people than guns:
Doctors
Cars
Power Tools
Smoking
Cancer
Stupidity

The list goes on and on. Alas, one cannot fight a position that was not founded on facts and reason with facts and reason.

We see those comparisons come up with the same regularity we see traffic lights changing from red to green and back again...over and over and over.

Except for smoking, there is no national movement to ban any of those things...ditto for hammers, ball bats, 2x4s, alcohol, knives, yada yada yada. Those types of comparisons have always been pointless, and they turned into clichés so long ago, I've lost track.

 

[Kiwi cop]

Until March 15th the worst mass killing in this country was committed by a hammer.

 

[oneounceload]

Believe snopes or not. Just read the results of their inquiry and decide for yourself. Personally, I think their conclusion on this is more believable than that of Breitbart News, which cherry picks statistics in a way that is misleading and creates an illusion that isn't accurate -- and manipulates readers who are not discerning.

Snopes is an antigun organization whose "fact checking" has been found to be biased and with an agenda so take them with a grain of salt

 

[alwslate]

Hospitals kill far more people every year than all types of guns combined.
Potentially fatal bacterial infections that are acquired while patients are
in the hospital for some routine procedure kill many thousands of hapless
victims. All very quietly dismissed. Obituaries may simply say "passed
away from complications following surgery". Or not even this much of
an explanation. Why no demonstrations, burned buildings, marches,
and public figures on tv demanding action?

 

[biku324]

Good grief. The difference is intentional killing (usually murder or voluntary manslaughter) wherein guns are favored over every other means. Trying to pretend it isn't so requires very tiring mental gymnastics. And no, I did NOT just say guns are bad nor make any kind of political statement. Facts are are facts, or they used to be.

 

[5Wire]

Here's what I consider to be the most reliable source and data: the FBI Uniform Crime Report. This is derived from Table 20 in the most recent full report. I added in Census Data for population to get the Rates Per 100,000 state populations. As legible as I could make it:

 

[vigil617]

Snopes is an antigun organization whose "fact checking" has been found to be biased and with an agenda so take them with a grain of salt

I don't buy your contention for the simple reason that my understanding of what Snopes does is investigate and report, for the purpose of clarity. If it reports something that you consider anti-gun, then you consider it biased and untrustworthy. That's on you; it doesn't make the reporting itself biased. There's enough misinformation and misleading information out there already from places that are demonstrably biased -- Breitbart News being a prime example -- that sites like Snopes play an important and necessary role. So I'll pass on taking them with that grain of salt, thanks anyway.

 

[soFlaNative]

Here's what I consider to be the most reliable source and data: the FBI Uniform Crime Report. This is derived from Table 20 in the most recent full report. I added in Census Data for population to get the Rates Per 100,000 state populations. As legible as I could make it:

Missing a state.

 

[5Wire]

Missing a state.

Good catch. I know. Florida hasn't reported on any UCR Table 20 I've seen. That's not noted at the FBI site. FBI — Table 20


Footnote 1 kind of shows the hedge: 1 Total number of murders for which supplemental homicide data were received.

 

[fordson]

Missing Florida. I feel cheated
Also missing PR

 

[5Wire]

Missing Florida. I feel cheated
Also missing PR

Yup. Maybe complain to DOJ,

 

[MurphyPr]

Breitbart News is not exactly a reliable source.

FACT CHECK: More Than Four Times More People Stabbed to Death Than Killed with Rifles of Any Kind?

Whether or not Breitbart is a reliable source, the number of people killed by rifles in the Breitbart article matches the number in the table provided by 5Wire, and the number killed by rifles vs hammers and other blunt objects in the Breitbart report matches the numbers in this link FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 11 which comes directly from the FBI.

Furthermore, the table I linked to shows 403 people killed by rifle and 1,591 killed by knives or other cutting instruments, which is 3.947 times more than those killed by rifle.

You are most certainly entitled to your own opinion regarding reliable news sources, but it does appear Breitbart's reporting on this issue is accurate.

EDIT: I cannot get your link to the snopes article to load, so I do not know what snopes reported.

 

[Ziggy2525]

Hospitals kill far more people every year than all types of guns combined.
Potentially fatal bacterial infections that are acquired while patients are
in the hospital for some routine procedure kill many thousands of hapless
victims. All very quietly dismissed. Obituaries may simply say "passed
away from complications following surgery". Or not even this much of
an explanation. Why no demonstrations, burned buildings, marches,
and public figures on tv demanding action?

I see this comparison a lot. Not even comparable. Physicians and hospitals aren’t intentionally trying to kill people. They are practicing an inexact, imperfect science that has been increasingly extending people’s lifespan for over a century. You’d really like to go back to 1850’s medicine with your diabetes, COPD, and heart disease.