Feds order Apple, Google to turn over personal data of scope app downloaders

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nucleartacos said:
Federal government orders Apple, Google to turn over personal data of everyone who downloaded a gun scope app...
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See, here's the problem with this already. You go to the link and you're slammed with this screaming headline:"Federal government orders..."

Then you read the first sentence, and it's miraculously morphed into "The federal government has asked..."

The current bottom line on this is that neither Apple or Google has responded to the government's "order" or "request" or whatever it is.

Apple has already refused similar requests for user data, and I believe Google has as well. If they choose, both companies could tie this garbage up in court for who knows how long. Fourth Amendment issues are just one thing that could be used as a defense against this sort of government interference.

Far as I'm concerned, articles like this in Blaze, and its companion article in Forbes are nothing but paranoid fear mongering. Unfortunately, there are thousands of paranoid people who'll fall for this kind of B.S.

I won't even talk about what a biased news site The Blaze is. Then again, what news site isn't?
 
The request seems to be based on the premise that somebody has been illegally exporting ATN scopes, which are probably on the ITAR list. If that has been going on, is anybody really surprised that they would trawl for who has downloaded the calibration app ?
 
Forbes has discovered an unprecedented move or fake news?

Drudge report had this story today. “Exclusive: Feds Demand Apple and Google Hand Over Names Of 10,000+ Users Of A Gun Scope App”. It really doesn’t affect me in any way now but I wonder, does the Fed Gov. have the right to say who has access to today’s Technologies.
 
I think it’s more the Govt wants to know who can flex on the poors with that kind of setup. Also who’s using the app and how often. Tracking them.
 
littleriver1 said:
Drudge report had this story today. “Exclusive: Feds Demand Apple and Google Hand Over Names Of 10,000+ Users Of A Gun Scope App”. It really doesn’t affect me in any way now but I wonder, does the Fed Gov. have the right to say who has access to today’s Technologies.
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Google it and get the real story
 
I have an ATN 4K scope so of course I downloaded the app.....if the feds want to know what I did with my scope just ask me or go to ATN and ask for their records or any of the other outlets that sell the scopes. The sellers of the actual scopes have better records of where all those scopes went. Unless the feds are worried about guys that bought one or two and then resold them outside the states.......how likely is that. Sheesh......
 
Watchdog said:
See, here's the problem with this already. You go to the link and you're slammed with this screaming headline:"Federal government orders..."

Then you read the first sentence, and it's miraculously morphed into "The federal government has asked..."

The current bottom line on this is that neither Apple or Google has responded to the government's "order" or "request" or whatever it is.

Apple has already refused similar requests for user data, and I believe Google has as well. If they choose, both companies could tie this garbage up in court for who knows how long. Fourth Amendment issues are just one thing that could be used as a defense against this sort of government interference.

Far as I'm concerned, articles like this in Blaze, and its companion article in Forbes are nothing but paranoid fear mongering. Unfortunately, there are thousands of paranoid people who'll fall for this kind of B.S.

I won't even talk about what a biased news site The Blaze is. Then again, what news site isn't?
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Looks like you may not have read the whole article. It starts out saying the government requested the info but ends with this

According to Forbes, the Department of Justice filed a court order on September 5 ordering both Google and Apple to give up names, phone numbers, and IP addresses of everyone who downloaded the app since Aug. 1, 2017. The document is now sealed, but Forbes managed to view it while it was briefly publicly available.

According to a snippet from the court order published by Forbes, the government hopes to use this data to help Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) track down illegal weapons exports to Canada, the Netherlands, and Hong Kong.
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So the government is taking action in a government court ORDERING them to give up the data.

Maybe not such a B.S. thing to be pooh-pooh-ing after all. If they can demand and prevail on stuff like this, what is next? The government has already been exposed for getting terrabytes of data from the wireless carriers. At what point does this kind of thing become a big deal in your opinion?
 
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