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Hi. I wonder if anyone can help me. I have an Smith & Wesson nikel and mother of pearl grips firegun, wich is very, very old.Caliber .32. On top of barrel it reed BY SMITH & WESSON.. AMERICAN CARTRIDGES.
Below nacar parts and inside the gun ir reed 578. Do i have a original S&W firegun? Is 578 the model or serial number? i cant find any information about it. Thank you very much for your help. Esteban.. Some photograph...
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a1305070708dw3.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a1305070709zp2.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a0306072024hy2.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a0306072022kp3.png
I put some other images from a different source than the other, perhaps clearer.
In this one... look at the S&W logo stamped on grip and gun itself
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a1ni2.png
In this one...there is something written on top of barrel. It said.BY SMITH & WESSON AMERICAN CARTRIDGES
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a2tc9.png
In this one... number 578 is stamp below a detachable piece of metal,on the gun on the metal and at the trigger as well. Of course the same number below grip
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a3ym4.png
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a4gy5.png
In this one... look at the trigger.
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a5bn6.png
 
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Hi. I wonder if anyone can help me. I have an Smith & Wesson nikel and mother of pearl grips firegun, wich is very, very old.Caliber .32. On top of barrel it reed BY SMITH & WESSON.. AMERICAN CARTRIDGES.
Below nacar parts and inside the gun ir reed 578. Do i have a original S&W firegun? Is 578 the model or serial number? i cant find any information about it. Thank you very much for your help. Esteban.. Some photograph...
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a1305070708dw3.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a1305070709zp2.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a0306072024hy2.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a0306072022kp3.png
I put some other images from a different source than the other, perhaps clearer.
In this one... look at the S&W logo stamped on grip and gun itself
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a1ni2.png
In this one...there is something written on top of barrel. It said.BY SMITH & WESSON AMERICAN CARTRIDGES
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a2tc9.png
In this one... number 578 is stamp below a detachable piece of metal,on the gun on the metal and at the trigger as well. Of course the same number below grip
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a3ym4.png
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a4gy5.png
In this one... look at the trigger.
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a5bn6.png
 
Esteban, welcome! Someone smarter than me will help you soon! Can you post a picture? I think 578 is the serial number. When you write “*578*” what does “*” mean? Is it a star?

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Guys, I think he means he has mother of pearl (“nacre”) grips on the gun, and the butt says 578 which is repeated inside the crane.
 
Welcome to the Forum.

It is unlikely your revolver is a Smith & Wesson. There were many copies made that were stamped to suggest that they were S&Ws. Phrases like "Made for Smith & Wesson Cartridges" and other variations along the same theme were common stamping.
 
I think Muley Gil is right. A genuine S&W would not have "American Cartridges" stamped on it. Many S&W copies were produced in Latin American countries and they are generally of medium quality (at best) and not very valuable.
 
Esteban-

Una fotographia, por favor?

Es mas facil por identificado las armas de fuego con una pintura.

O, escribe aqui todo de las marques en el pistola.

!Tambien, bienvenidos a este foro!
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T-Star
 
Onomea thank you for you prompt responce. I have a basic english,but you are right. 578 without *, I'll correct what i posted soon. i think is NACKE the correct word.


Originally posted by Onomea:
Esteban, welcome! Someone smarter than me will help you soon! Can you post a picture? I think 578 is the serial number. When you write “*578*” what does “*” mean? Is it a star?

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Guys, I think he means he has mother of pearl (“nacre”) grips on the gun, and the butt says 578 which is repeated inside the crane.
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Well... I Add some URL where you can see the gun. Thank you.

Originally posted by Texas Star:
Esteban-Una fotographia, por favor?
Es mas facil por identificado las armas de fuego con una pintura.
O, escribe aqui todo de las marques en el pistola.
!Tambien, bienvenidos a este foro!
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T-Star
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Jaja..!! You Made me smile... Thank you..Another cerveza for me, please.

Originally posted by SaxonPig:
Your english is a lot better than my Spanish. All I can say is "Mas cerveza, por favor."
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I'm not an expert, but I'll take a swing.

If this gun is a S&W, and I can not make out the logo in the second picture, it looks to be a .32 Double Action Forth Model or Fifth Model. I say that because of the shape of the trigger guard. I don't belive that 578 is a serial number if it is that would make it a Second Model, then the trigger guard is not correct. If 578 is the serial number, perhaps the old gun was put together from various pistols. I can't see the cylinder with enough detail to help either. I think (looks like) the barrel has been cut because the front sight is too far back. Esteban, look on the very bottom of the grip frame or butt and give us that number.
 
Che esteban,

Bienvenido! Lo siento que yo no conozca bien las armas S&W antiguas, sino solamente las mas modernas; que no pueda ayudarle con esta pregunta.

Si me permite averiguar en cuanto a otro asunto, por favor: Pase un tiempo yo en el Uruguay, en los anos ochenta; he pensado visitar al area Rio Platense otra vez, y tengo curiosidad en cuanto a las leyes argentinas y uruguayas para los ciudadanos privados y para los extranjeros sobre el tener, viajar, y llevar de armas . Si me puede educar un poco o dirigir a otra fuente de informacion sobre esto, le agradezco. (Me puede communicar esto por e-mail si le parece mejor.) Gracias, y suerte con la busqueda de informacion sobre el origen de su revolver.
 
C'mon guys! Quit showing off! Esteban is doing alot better in English than most of us can do in Spanish. We'd like to be in on the conversation too!!
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I think his gun is a S&W copy (It just doesn't look quite right) but can't tell where the discussion is going (re questions and answers)
 
deadin-

I asked for the markings on the gun, and photos. Makes it easier to give an intelligent answer.

The other guy (Scout) says that he doesn't know a lot about antique S&Ws, just modern ones. (He misspelled "modernas", I think.)

He also wishes to ask questions about the weapons laws in Argentina and in Uruguay, particularly in case he might visit there. So, he needs to know about the laws for foreigners, too.

You're right: we should have written English versions. My Spanish probably isn't as good as is Esteban's English, anyway.

I saw the photos. I think we REALLY need to know the markings now.

I suspect the gun was made in Spain, probably in Eibar or Elgoibar, by some firm making break top S&W copies. They were once common.

It MIGHT be an Iver Johnson or somesuch, but I think it's probably Spanish.

T-Star
 
but I think it's probably Spanish.
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I agree with it being Spanish (or Belgian). To me, the clue is the "set-back" rib at the muzzle. I have seen this on other Spanish or Belgian wanna-be's. There are also other profiles that just don't look right.
 
Hi guys... Thank you so much for the time you are been taken to help me. I really apreciate it. You are make me work hard with my english!! Wouw!! I posted some 5 more pictures taken from other digital camera, I hope you could se the details I explain before each link.
But I think that i have to concider the possibility that it is a Spanish copy as most of you said. Please any question let me know...

Originally posted by deadin:
but I think it's probably Spanish.
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I agree with it being Spanish (or Belgian). To me, the clue is the "set-back" rib at the muzzle. I have seen this on other Spanish or Belgian wanna-be's. There are also other profiles that just don't look right.
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Originally posted by Texas Star:
The other guy (Scout) says that he doesn't know a lot about antique S&Ws, just modern ones. (He misspelled "modernas", I think.)
T-Star
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Nope, he spelled it right--armas modernas. Scout's Spanish is outstanding.

GB
 
Based on the trigger shape and what I could make out of the logo on the grip, it's a Spanish revolver using S&W cartridges. I can't identify the maker...just can't see enough of the letters in the logo, but there were several Spanish revolver makers who used variations of S&W designs. Some were of much better quality than others, but quite a few were used all over the world.

Mark
 
Esteban,
After looking at the latest batch of pictures I'm even more sure you have a Spanish copy.
First reason - No S&W ever had " BY SMITH & WESSON AMERICAN CARTRIDGES" marked on the barrel.
Second reason - That is not the S&W logo on the grips. It could be either Garate,Anitua y Cia of Eibar, Spain or Isidro Gaztanaga of Eibar.
I have examples of both and can't quite make out what yours is, but it does resemble them.
Third reason - The hammer profile is wrong as the spur is too short.
And finally, the serial number would place it in the 32 Double Action range and the cylinder is missing the clearing grooves and the triggerguard should have a reverse curve at the back.

Here is a picture of a 2nd model:
32DA2nd.jpg
 
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