Four Officers Murdered in Charlotte, NC

[Rat458]

Not to take away from the needless deaths of the officers but who was in charge ?
Basic tactics were ignored.
Do not confront an enemy on their own turf where they have the advantage.
Usually they would follow the perp and stop him where the LEO have the advantage.
Am I wrong ?

 

[biku324]

I am a real fan of 'three strikes' laws - they work. Those who won't change get warehoused.

 

[LVSteve]

I am a real fan of 'three strikes' laws - they work. Those who won't change get warehoused.

But that would officially acknowledge that there are incorrigibles among us who society cannot control. This causes certain hand-wringers much angst as the concept of the irredeemable is anathema to them. For those "in power" it implies a loss of control, equally unacceptable.

 

[Doug M.]

Hindsight tells me that this should have been a SWAT call, IF it was necessary to take him at home. The moonbats like Balko and PERF have made police agencies reluctant to use SWAT or other appropriate tactics because of the moronic claims of "police militarization".

 

[LVSteve]

Not to take away from the needless deaths of the officers but who was in charge ?
Basic tactics were ignored.
Do not confront an enemy on their own turf where they have the advantage.
Usually they would follow the perp and stop him where the LEO have the advantage.
Am I wrong ?

I believe that street stops require a lot of fugitive task force type training that many LEOs simply don't have. If it's not done dead right it will result in damaged LE vehicles. That's a very visible line item in the accounts, and in a smallish department put a real crimp on actual patrols and response while the damage is put right.

In this case I noted that two of the officers killed were from the local equivalent of the department of corrections. Should they really be serving this kind of warrant? How much recent/relevant time do they have on the street? Perhaps the LEOs here can fill us in on that side of things.

 

[Magnum_PI]

I am a real fan of 'three strikes' laws - they work. Those who won't change get warehoused.

I am a fan of eliminating the serious problems permanently, Dirty Harry style.

Why should we have to pay room and board for serious, unfixable, urchin low lives forever? Same with Pedos. One and done.

People all think prison is horrible these days. It ain't paradise but they ain't breaking rocks these days either. They get stuff like TVs, computers, tablets, music, etc. It's not the Rooskie Gulags over here. Just saying.

If they take a low life like this in, they're often heralded as a King when they get to the pen because they took out enforcers for the man.

 

[rwsmith]

Similar situation as the southern border.......

EVERYBODY deserves AMNESTY. Even habitually violent criminals.

 

[Doug M.]

In this case I noted that two of the officers killed were from the local equivalent of the department of corrections. Should they really be serving this kind of warrant? How much recent/relevant time do they have on the street? Perhaps the LEOs here can fill us in on that side of things.

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I have never been on one, but I know that USMS task forces, with special appointments, often include DOC personnel here. As far as I know, only the Community Corrections Officers (think parole officers) can do so and only with additional training.

 

[Beemerguy53]

The difference between cops (and firefighters) and everybody else is that when they leave for work, and kiss their wives and kids goodbye...they're always aware that it might really be "goodbye"...

May those brave officers rest in peace...

 

[Greyman50]

Anyone know the real details? Marshalls I knew back in the 70s80s were tough and real smart when serving any warrant. Something is in my eyes….

 

[Doug M.]

This was a USMS task force, and the majority of those have special deputies who are local and state cops, not full time USMS personnel. We had a manhunt here a few years ago in some really rugged territory. When the USMS folks joined you could tell they were just plain serious.

 

[Old cop]

I lost seven friends/colleagues in my 30 years and every time I see another story like this it's tough. Condolences to the friends & families of all concerned.

 

[biku324]

Four families are in Purgatory right now.

My last rookie (I was his FTO) was killed two years into his career. Because my wife and I were close with he and his widow, we stayed with her for some days until her family got there.

Because I learned the whole benefit package and how to keep vultures away, I got assigned to all LOD deaths for the next few years. It was awful, but essential. They finally assigned someone else, thank God.

 

[Old cop]

I was the SWAT commander in 1989 when one of our team was killed and I was left to tell his wife after we secured the scene. I drove her to the hospital, stayed with her and drove her home. We've stayed close over the years and I've watched her boys grow up. One joined the department, but I can't imagine her discomfort with that circumstance.