Frank Lautenberg to introduce hi-cap mag bill

[David LaPell]

Senator Frank R. Lautenberg

 

[mkk41]

Lautenberg is also behind a potential NATIONAL motorcycle helmet law.

Doesn't sound like a very fun person.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Lautenberg is also behind a potential NATIONAL motorcycle helmet law.

Doesn't sound like a very fun person.

Mr. Lautenberg might be responsible for the spike in demand for tin foil hats as well.

 

[stantheman86]

These anti-gun politicos have to "introduce" something to make themselves look like they are doing their job for their "supporters", as in "how can you not do anything about these evil guns".........it doesn't mean it will pass......then they can say "Hey I tried" when it fails......

Another thing to keep in mind, do you think mega-million dollar a year handgun makers like S&W haven't made heavy "campaign contributions" to keep their kept politicians on the "right side" I think it's time to call some favors in.......S&W, Ruger, Glock etc. aren't gonna stand by and let any crippling magazine ban, handgun restriction or other "ban" go down without a fight, because at the end of the day that's big dollars out of their pockets. Money talks, and millions of dollars change hands every year when people buy handguns......money can make people quiet about a "tragedy" really quick.

 

[ladder13]

Bill Ruger sold us out once before, 10 round mag agreement, even though he's no longer with us. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[kennyb]

Bill Ruger sold us out once before, 10 round mag agreement, even though he's no longer with us. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

sure did mike....guess some have forgotten the various bans of the clinton adm.

 

[stantheman86]

More so than any kind of handgun restriction or "ban", in other words turning the entire set of US gun laws into NJ..........I can see the re-institution of the AWB being the "bone" being thrown......even our "freinds" may be willing, unfortunately, to acquiesce to the anti-gunners to get them to shut up and go away for a while, they're thinking "OK if we go along with a 10 round limit on mags maybe they'll leave us alone".......I can almost hear the bandwidth increasing now, as people are buying 32 round Glock mags a dozen at a time, so they can resell them "off the radar" for $500 a piece if there's a ban.....the anti-gunners don't care that word of a "ban" will just put more hi-cap mags in circulation than ever, as mag manufacturs and distributors will be selling them faster then they can get them out the door......the sweetest fruit is forbidden fruit......even people who don't "need" them will be spending 2 weeks pay on extended magazines, "just to have" them.

There will of course be a push for a ban on internet ammo sales, selling of "bulk" ammo........we will have to sign some crap log book and show our ID's and be limited to 100 rounds a month, if "they" have their way......because of course, "no reasonable person needs to "stockpile" more than 50 rounds of ammo" They could give a crap less about competition and sport shooting, people who fire 1,000's of rounds a month for sport......no, if you have more than 500 rounds it will be an "arsenal of ammo"......

 

[kennyb]

More so than any kind of handgun restriction or "ban", in other words turning the entire set of US gun laws into NJ..........I can see the re-institution of the AWB being the "bone" being thrown......even our "freinds" may be willing, unfortunately, to acquiesce to the anti-gunners to get them to shut up and go away for a while, they're thinking "OK if we go along with a 10 round limit on mags maybe they'll leave us alone".......I can almost hear the bandwidth increasing now, as people are buying 32 round Glock mags a dozen at a time, so they can resell them "off the radar" for $500 a piece if there's a ban.....the anti-gunners don't care that word of a "ban" will just put more hi-cap mags in circulation than ever, as mag manufacturs and distributors will be selling them faster then they can get them out the door......the sweetest fruit is forbidden fruit......even people who don't "need" them will be spending 2 weeks pay on extended magazines, "just to have" them.

There will of course be a push for a ban on internet ammo sales, selling of "bulk" ammo........we will have to sign some crap log book and show our ID's and be limited to 100 rounds a month, if "they" have their way......because of course, "no reasonable person needs to "stockpile" more than 50 rounds of ammo" They could give a crap less about competition and sport shooting, people who fire 1,000's of rounds a month for sport......no, if you have more than 500 rounds it will be an "arsenal of ammo"......

stantheman...from reading some of your recent posts....relax some...take it easy...you know what they say as to assumptions
my goodness you are gonna make yourself ill

 

[ladder13]

We don't wanna give them any ideas either

 

[A10]

Why don't they introduce a ban on psychotics? From what I'm hearing, the guy was a known paranoid schitzophrenic. He was never charged with a serious crime or found mentally incompetent by a court so he wasn't in any database, either. That's how he was able to buy the Glock. He LIED on the form!

 

[stantheman86]

Sorry just venting a little bit, some people at my job today pushed my buttons a little bit, I didn't even mention anything about these events and the soccer moms at my job are talking about this thing, and are like "they need to ban those GD guns that hold 50 rounds, and letting anyone carry them around"........and then some other lady is like "you shouldn't be able to walk into Walmart and buy thousands of bullets".....people are clueless Ignorant people are all around us too, if they aren't openly "anti gun" they are passive enough to do damage and actually support some of this crap, and some of these women were bragging last month about the deer their "avid hunter" husbands took this season, and how I was "wierd" because I'm an ex-Army guy who doesn't go out for deer season......but I like to "shoot guns just for fun"......the height of hippocritical. These are the "you can ban pistols but don't touch my hunting rifle and shotgun" crowd.

 

[oldman45]

Again, as I asked in another thread and did not get an answer, has there not been some requirement made recently where the portion of the Constitution that would allow for such a bill be included in the bill.

If I am correct, then this is a moot issue since there is no such section in the Constitution and therefore it could not be passed.

 

[Janitor]

More so than any kind of handgun restriction or "ban", in other words turning the entire set of US gun laws into NJ..........I can see the re-institution of the AWB being the "bone" being thrown......even our "freinds" may be willing, unfortunately, to acquiesce to the anti-gunners to get them to shut up and go away for a while, they're thinking "OK if we go along with a 10 round limit on mags maybe they'll leave us alone".......I can almost hear the bandwidth increasing now, as people are buying 32 round Glock mags a dozen at a time, ...

Not trying to fule the fire, but the magazine size limit didn't just affect 'extended' magazines. It was anything over 10 rounds. How many 9mm pistols designed to carry a 15 round magazine were out there during the ban? The ban wasn't on high capacity magazines. They banned standard capacity magazines as well.

You could have standard cap mags. But if you were called out on it, you had to be prepared to provide proof that you acquired them before the ban was in effect. You still have all the receipts from all your magazines? (Read that on that Ineterweb thingie, so until proven otherwise it's worth a grain of salt)

Some group of anti-gunners reached up into their collective quantum singularity and pulled the number 10 out, and passed a law that said anybody that obeys the law doesn't need any more ammunition in thier gun than that. A Beretta 92f or CZ 75b (or whatever) had no need whatsoever for a 15-17 round magazine.

 

[Pasifikawv]

RE: banning standard and hi-cap mags.

Janitor makes a good point. The AWB banned standard cap mags as some states still do. Folks in MD, CA, MA all have to special order low-cap mags with their pistols to this day.

The intent of such bans isn't public safety, but to make life difficult for sport shooters. The average number of rounds fired when a gun is used in the commission of a crime is 1.2 rounds. The ban just doesn't stack up to reality.

I recenty bought a knock-off "trainer" modeled after the Glock that fires 22lr. I really liked the idea of being able to spend more time and less dollars at the ranged honing my skills sending cheap rimfire down range rather than .40 of my carry weapon. It came with only one 10 rnd mag. I spent far more time shoving rounds in the mag than putting holes in paper. It took much of the expected fun out of the range experience. That, in a nutshell, I believe is the intent of these misguided laws: make sport shooting as cumbersome as possible. I have since ordered additional mags.

On a seperate note, here is something of absurd interest. Maddow was interviewing a former ATF agent and current sherriff in the NYC area on MSNBC last night and they were discussing mag cap. The former ATF agent stated: "When I was a federal agent, I only carried a 12 rnd magazine issued with my duty revolver plus one in the chamber." (If I knew how to insert icons, roll-eyes would go here). An former ATF agent surely knows that revolvers don't use magazines. I suppose his mixed terminology serves a Brady Bunch purpose, and it tells me that gun-grabbers are not interested in honesty.

 

[badguybuster]

Thats pretty funny. I would like to have seen his credentials.

 

[Pasifikawv]

Thats pretty funny. I would like to have seen his credentials.

Name is Edgar Domench. Identified as a 25 yr veteran of BATF and was SAIC of the VT massacre follow up and now NYC Sherriff and supporter of Bloomberg's MAIG.

Doubt most on this forum can stomach this link of Maddow, but fast-forward to around 9:25ish for the "duty revlover with a 13rnd magazine capacity" comment.

Rachel Maddow Show

His words: "I was issued a 12 round magazine with my duty revolver plus one in the chamber so as a Federal Agent, the maxium capacity I had was 13 rounds."

 

[lagavulin62]

when I hear people argue that hunters would never need a 30 round mag I have to grab hold of myself. even that man they call the president is fond of saying "I support hunter's rights". where in the second amendment does it say anything about hunters?

 

[Road Rat]

Didn't these people in "congress" just get sworn in again and one phrase is "to support and defend the CONSTITUTION"???

I really don't believe they can read and comprehend the language of the land!!!

 

[stantheman86]

I remember the "Bad old Days" when I lived in NJ, there was a 15-round limit on semi-autos....which means everyone had to use 10-round mags because no one makes 15 rounders for a Glock, CZ, etc....I bought a WASR-10 AK-clone and a semi-auto Tommy gun, with plugged 10-round mags.An AK-clone with a 10-round mag? I had more fun shooting my bolt action rifles, for all a semi-auto with a mini-mag of 10 rounds was worth. It was better to just shoot a revolver in NJ, heck, you only had 4 less rounds in a wheelgun than a Glock with a "compliant" magazine!

I used to call the H&R single shot break-open rifles a "NJ Machine Gun" since there wasn't much point in having anything that used a magazine.

No gun shop could order enough Beretta Storm carbines, since handguns were so restricted, there was a HUGE demand for the "next best thing" which was the 9mm stocked carbines which could be freely bought with an FID card, plus they used 15 round Beretta 92f magazines, which was a huge bonus.There were probably more Storm carbines sold in NJ than any other state

This is what we need to work against in the "free" states, anti-gunners would love nothing more than CA and NJ type laws in all 50 states.

 

[Gunfighter9]

IMO hunters are dangerous to the second amendment. Too often they view themselves as being beyond the scope of intereste for the anti-gun crowd and therefore they are willing to co-operate with them. I got into a discussion on CCW with a guy in college who was an avid hunter, and he was convinced that CCW was not necessary. Wake up hunters! When they are done raping the evil black gun guys they are going to come for you. We need to draw a line in the sand now and stand united or they will dismantle us piece by piece. This means that we need to see mobilization not only by the NRA and gun owners, but by manufacturers and even LEO's as well. Legislation doesn't stop crime. Being alert and locking your doors deters more crime than some law which potential criminals only read once they have been arrested.