Frank Lautenberg to introduce hi-cap mag bill

[lagavulin62]

IMO hunters are dangerous to the second amendment. Too often they view themselves as being beyond the scope of intereste for the anti-gun crowd and therefore they are willing to co-operate with them. I got into a discussion on CCW with a guy in college who was an avid hunter, and he was convinced that CCW was not necessary.

in truth this is a problem faced on all levels. we have become so distant from events that impact us that we don't see a connection between backdoor legislation and the primary motive. part of it is the inability to apply history and project outcomes for current situations.

example: I like to use the drug testing craze. in the early 80's I was in the service when drug testing began. that was passed easily because it was said testing would only be for the military and other high sensitive personnel. today you can't even get a job flipping burgers without proving you are not a junkie.

currently the debate here in texas is the red-light camera craze which was voted out by houstonions. still "research" is convincing more that they are for our own safety and all to many will fall for this bull. common line is, "I don't run red lights so why should I be concerned".

no need to even mention the TSA rape/molest scandals.

the general public is the enemy of freedom holders, not crazed lunatics.

the main reason I joined the NRA is because they understand this and will draw that line as you mention. how do you get the clueless to understand that the gun control crowd's only motive is repeal of the 2nd amendment?

 

[Gunfighter9]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Benjamin Franklin

Maybe we should be stressing history, and civil liberty in school instead of drivers ed and some of the other crap?

 

[David LaPell]

One of the biggest things that has divided gun owners over the years has been magazine capacity. I have heard time and time again how some gun owners had no qualms when the AWB went into effect in 1994, because it did not affect their hunting rifles or shotguns. I see them at gun shows, I saw them when Kirsten Gillibrand (our newest liberal Senator) said how she would stand up for hunters got their votes as a Congresswoman, and now she is after all guns. They elected their own enemy. When Hillary ran for President, I saw them again, saying how Hillary would not go after THEIR guns, because they didn't own assault rifles. I had to sadly disagree with my own grandfather when he was alive because he was a lifelong Democrat, and did not agree with owning assault weapons, but he hunted his whole life. I tried to explain to him how if the anti's had their way, his hunting rifles would have been turned into razor blades.
Personally, I have never owned an AR-15, and really don't care for them, but that doesn't mean I think that you should be prevented from owning them, just like Glocks with hi-cap mags. Because if they go, i know that my guns will be next. They will get to deer rifles, scopes, revolvers, semi-autos in general, and if possible, all guns. If the anti's get their way, and they are slowly getting it depsite what the Supreme court says, we will lose our rights. I fear that within my lifetime I may yet see it. Being in my 30's, I see the apathy, the it can't happen here. Ask the Brits, the Canadians, and the Aussies, about what can't happen. If we keep believing it can't happen, we give those trying to make it happen all the fuel they need for their vehicle. We need to keep exposing those who try this bovine excrement and calling them out and saying enough is enough. We need to call out those in the media and tell them that they are wrong and we won't be slandered and called names for what we believe. If you don't want to own guns, fine, that's your right. But don't infringe on ours because you want things your way. We are fast becoming subjects and slipping away from being citizens. In 2012 I think another message needs to be sent by tossing out any and all who think that our rights are expendable.

 

[stantheman86]

Apathy is the enemy, I see it because everyday I hear the "doesn't apply to me" BS. Like I said in my previous "rant" someone at my job today said that she can't see the point in me "buying guns and ammo just to have them, and ammo just to shoot it for fun" but dollars to donuts her husband has a Remington 700 and a Mossberg 500 "for hunting" that "won't be affected" by any ban.......right........they could care less about Castle Doctrine or CCW to defend themselves, because "that stuff doesn't happen where I live" or the famous "we don't have "those people" that do those things around here".......well, what happens when it does happen, or "those people" come into their home to take what they want?

I tell them their hunting rifles will be "sniper rifles" to the gun grabbers and they look at me like I'M the crazy one......

My favorite is when I'm asked "Who really needs an assault rifle with a 50 round mag or a machine gun, I mean really, why do you need them?" and I tell them" I needed them when I was overseas risking my life defending our freedom" and they usually just shut up.......

I don't see the logic in these guys who say "hunting is a religion in my family, I can't believe you don't hunt"......but then I tell them I collect and shoot handguns for sport and competition and they're like "Why do you need those plastic guns that hold a zillion rounds just to shoot at paper bad guys at the range".......Shooters and collectors stand up for ALL guns, regardless of their favorite types of guns,Many shooters also hunt, and many hunters are also collectors, but some hunters have the "I don't own a handgun or assault rifle, but don't touch my Rem 30-06" They take their rifle out of mothball for 2 weeks out of the year and other than that could care less about gun rights. I have talked to dozens of people like this. We need to bring these people into the fold and educate them, rather than alienate them. I like to think I have at least given food for thought to some of the "Fudd hunter types" , maybe I have pointed them in the right direction that gun grabbers want to ban ALL guns and ALL ammo, and yes that includes ammo for their hunting rifles and shotguns, and powder for their blackpowder season rifles. Otherwise, I hope they learn to love to hunt only with a bow......until they find a way to ban those too......

 

[bk43]

Again, as I asked in another thread and did not get an answer, has there not been some requirement made recently where the portion of the Constitution that would allow for such a bill be included in the bill.

Some Republicans in the incoming congress has suggested this type of thing. There is no law or requirement and probably won't ever be.

Bob

 

[Gunfighter9]

The point that hunters fail to see is that once you start the process of banning items or activities in the name of public safety or health then nothing we do is safe from government regulation.

Cars and alcohol lead to injury and death on the roads so those could be banned.

Fast food leads to obesity and poor health...ban it

Flashy clothes, electronics, and cars are motivations to burglars and thieves....ban them.

Baseball bats, golf clubs, and hockey sticks are ready made clubs...ban them.

Smoking causes cancer and lung disease...ban it.

You know the one place in America where this kind of mentality is not only legal, but happens all the time? It's not NY or NJ or CA. It's PRISON. Do we really want to live in a state sponsored prison? Would sacrificing all of our liberties make us safer? I doubt it. We let the government create TSA so we would be safe while flying, but the reality is that the weapons used in the 9-11 hijackings didn't go through security checkpoints. We are no safer no than we were before. The people that TSA hires are rejects from every other industry out there. Most of these people are so worthless they couldn't get a job at Walmart. However, the Federal government is more than willing to give them a uniform and a badge. Why? Because the government knows that TSA's only job is to make the airports look safer. Nothing else. We have added more hassle to traveling via airplane and for what? So that some ditzy soccer mom will feel warm and fuzzy on the rare occasion she flies somewhere.

 

[Janitor]

What hunters actually fail to see, is that while new laws and restrictions may affect firearms they have no interest in (or personally see no need for), that's only the begining. On an on, ever forward. Each and every new law or restriction is just another wedge being driven in. The anti's gain ground each time something like a "high capacity magazine" ban is codefied into law.

The divisions we see in gun owners lines every time a hunter speaks up and says he sees no legitimate need for a law abiding citizen to own an evil black rifle "with a barrel shroud shoulder thing that goes up" plays directly into the hands of the people who would happily take guns away from the hunters at their first opportunity. Baby steps. (someone should ask Jim Zumbo how that kind of attitude worked out for him).

It's a slippery slope that simply gets steeper with each new restriction.

 

[Gunfighter9]

Of course when you reverse their logic on them hunters get pissed. Tell a hunter that you see no need for him to hunt since there are ample supplies of meat available at reasonable prices in any grocery store and watch them get pissed. Personally, I have no desire to hunt because I have no legitimate need to do so. However, I don't give a rats ass if bubba and his buddies want to sit in a stand all morning waiting to take potshots at bambi. As long as they follow the law and are safe have fun. The problem with this country is that everyone thinks that they know how to live other people's lives better. People that are vegan think they have to impose that life style on the rest of us, etc, etc. If you want to be gay, vegan, atheist, or not own guns fine. Just don't be so damned ignorant to think your way of life is the only way. I don't advocate that everyone own a gun. In fact there are a lot of people who have no business owning one. However, that is a choice to be made by the individual.

 

[ace22]

Bill Ruger sold us out once before, 10 round mag agreement, even though he's no longer with us. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i remember that and have boycotted rugers ever since!

 

[lagavulin62]

You know the one place in America where this kind of mentality is not only legal, but happens all the time? It's not NY or NJ or CA. It's PRISON. Do we really want to live in a state sponsored prison? Would sacrificing all of our liberties make us safer?

exactly! the one place where freedoms are non-existant is the most dangerous environment a person could ever face.