Ft. Bliss General notifys all users of the Ft. Bliss Rod&Gun Club

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That all guns used at the range must be registered with the Club beginning Aug, 1 2015 . The reg was posted today on the pro shop window.. Many Match directors are now looking for other places to hold their matches. A large event is pulling out and the reactions from shooters in Las Cruces NM and Alamogordo NM have been (we wont be coming) to Ft. Bliss to shoot anymore.

The big thing is that the club with 2200 members plus being open to the public will see income drop and other MWR facilities and programs dependent on the income generated by the Gun Club will be faced with closing or program cuts. These actions hurt the soldiers and families on Post. Why a 2 Star General would take such action is beyond belief.
 
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cyphertext said:
That is SOP for every base and post that I have been on. My firearms always had to be registered with the Provost Marshal.
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He didn't say they had to be rgistered with the Provost Marshal, but that they had to be registered at the Gun Club.

I can see where that would/will be a problem. My biggest concern would be the security of the database of the registered weapons.
 
My biggest concern would be the security of the Post.
Having that many armed civilians going on the Base has to be a concern to the Commander.
His job is National Security. He is not your recreation coordinator.
He is responsible for everything that happens on his base.
The Commander has a lot on his plate. He needs you to support him, not criticize him.
He does not need of deserve To be second guessed by a bunch of whining crybaby civilians.
 
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I regularly shoot at at military installation. All firearms must be registered, with the Provost Marshall, if the firearms are brought into the gated areas of the post. The range, however, is not within the gated areas. Still on installation property. No registration required to bring firearms to the range which is outside the fences. I am concerned, however, that if one installation (Ft. Bliss) changes policy, then the installation where I shoot might change policies, also.
 
Retired LTC said:
He didn't say they had to be rgistered with the Provost Marshal, but that they had to be registered at the Gun Club.

I can see where that would/will be a problem. My biggest concern would be the security of the database of the registered weapons.
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The point is that any firearm brought onto a military installation has had to be registered with that installation... has been like that for years.

With Ft. Bliss, I am assuming that the rod and gun club is outside the gated area, but it is still on Ft. Bliss... So, either register it at the rod and gun club, or make everyone register at the PMO. The civilians who are enjoying a very low cost membership to a shooting range are not going to like it either way.
 
Yes it is on military property. Said property extends all the way from El Paso Tx.to Socorro NM if not further.

The Club is outside the gates of the Post and was built by the City of El Paso Tx.

Pilgrim: I'm one of those complaining and I served my Country on Active Duty and as a result of that service I am in a wheelchair. What many do not seem to get is the Club is the money maker for MWR. Decreased income from the Club will impact Soldiers and their families at Ft. Bliss and there are no funds coming in to replace the funds lost. I doubt that 25% of the 2200 dues paying members will register their guns, if that many. The public is not likely to register their firearms. The Match Directors are cancelling August matches until they relocate to another range. The match I help run is probably going to dissolve as those from NM that attend have already made their positions known that they will not be coming to Ft.Bliss to shoot anymore. A major shooting event that brings nearly 400 shooters in is moving to another range. It's utter chaos.

The shooters can always find another range but its the MWR money that will not get replaced and that is my concern. Also I cannot believe that a 2 star general would do this to his soldiers.
 
THE PILGRIM said:
He does not need of deserve To be second guessed by a bunch of whining crybaby civilians.
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Those "whining crybaby civilians" have every right to spend their money elsewhere... and I hope they do.

He can make any stupid decision he wants. Nobody outside of his chain of command has ANY duty to endorse that decision with his or her money.
 
cmort666 said:
Those "whining crybaby civilians" have every right to spend their money elsewhere... and I hope they do.

He can make any stupid decision he wants. Nobody outside of his chain of command has ANY duty to endorse that decision with his or her money.
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Then don't go there! The General has the responsibility to protect his troops and facility. He's got a huge wide open facility near the wide open border.
Profit making is not in his job description.
 
THE PILGRIM said:
Then don't go there! The General has the responsibility to protect his troops and facility. He's got a huge wide open facility near the wide open border.
Profit making is not in his job description.
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How does registering firearms at the rod and gun club make it safe? One reason for registering with the PMO is so that the MPs can know if they are dealing with a potentially armed person if they get a call out in housing. If the MPs get a call out to the gun club, they already know that folks are armed there.

While profit making is not in his job description, morale and welfare of his soldiers are... and if the gun club is basically providing the lions share of funding to MWR at Ft. Bliss as LadyT suggests, it is the post commanders job to determine if the new policy has a greater benefit than the funds being lost.
 
ladyT said:
The Club is outside the gates of the Post and was built by the City of El Paso, TX.
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Yes the city built it, but in exchange for Ft. Bliss property ( where the old Rod & Gun Club was) so El Paso could build a highway loop around the city. Don't make it sound like El Paso did it out of the goodness of their heart.
 
How does registering firearms owned by civilians and used at the range protect troops and the facility?

I'm not being argumentative; I just don't understand the thought process that registration leads to the improved protection.

Maybe I'm missing the obvious. If so, help me out here, please.:confused:
 
Yes, the Ft. Bliss Rod and Gun Club is "On-Base" but it is not in any way on a secured portion of the huge amount of land that is Fort Bliss. In fact it is at the dead end of a single road into it and is accessed from US 54 . There are no side roads. Anybody wanting to "invade" the base could and would have to go cross country. Whether or not their guns were registered at the club would be a moot point.
I've shot at that facility and it seems a shame to waste it for any of the reasons offered so far.

IMHO It's just one more step in attempting to be "Politically Correct"
 
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