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I was going to rant and rant but, nah, I’ll just ramble along….

First, I’d like to point out that I will never, ever, fly into or depart from Miami International Airport again. Not ever. As in never. It’s a nightmare to get around there. Nuf sed…….

So, you know how procedures change from time to time, right? Well, I have not flown with a handgun for quite some time, so I was ready for anything. Having lost ALL of my hard, locking cases in last year’s fire I ordered a couple of new ones, so I would have a choice. I didn’t have a lot of time to get the one I really wanted so I chose ones that would come quickly and the two were VERY similar and quite small but for one Beretta 950 BS they were more than adequate. Small, aluminum cases, black sides, one locking combination lock. Good to go.

At the ticket counter I told the gent that I had a firearm in the little case (SURPRISE!! Really, he was surprised – and I was nice about it – what does this case LOOK LIKE it has in it would have been my snide remark, but I let it go).

Then I get a surprise – he asks to see it! Last few times that went either way but mostly I expected ticket agents to NOT want to see it – let TSA handle it. But, nope, it’s show me time, so I open the case and show him the little pistol. No big deal, he hands me the little white card, I sign it, he fills out his part, we toss it in the case, I lock it, and then he looks at me funny when I tell him I am checking it separately from my large luggage. “You don’t want to put it into that case? You’ll save 40 dollars!”. “Nope”, says I, “I am prepared to pay the forty bucks”. Lo and behold, my decision is a good one – new procedure I have never seen before – he puts a big red tag on the case that says, “Special Handling”. Seriously? It doesn’t look like a gun already and now you’re going to flag it? And you wanted to put that flag on my suitcase with all of my personal items inside? GET OUTTA DODGE!

Then he calls TSA, the TSA guy comes, asks me to unlock the case, takes it somewhere, comes back ten minutes later, says he locked it and it’s off! Weird!

Anyway, the gun came through the special handling baggage gate with no issues in Miami so score one point for that airport, I reckon.

Then, on the return trip the lady at the ticket counter AGAIN thinks I am planning to stick this little case into my soft sided luggage. So, it must be standard practice that flyers do this, and they probably use the cheapie black plastic gun cases with little padlocks and just toss the guns into their soft sided luggage. Personally, I think that is a misreading of the rules but, also, I NEVER want to stick a red flag on my personal, checked luggage.

This agent also wanted to see the gun but after the whole rigmarole was over she sent me to a TSA door. There, a non-TSA person took it, delivered it to a TSA persona, and he took FOREVER to tell me I was good to go! HOW HARD IS IT TO CHECK A TINY, UNLOADED, TIP OPEN, MAGAZINE OUT, BERETTA 950-BS? Like I said, I am done with the Miami airport – I almost missed my plane this guy took so long!

Back home the little luggage came off the plane, the handlers looked at it several times, shook it (we watched from the aircraft window), then tossed it onto the rest of the baggage. It came though the special handling doors. No big deal except I couldn’t get the agent to check – he kept telling me it would come with the rest of the luggage. Dunce!

All’s well that ends well I reckon! :D
 
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I NEVER want to stick a red flag on my personal, checked luggage.

I put my hard case inside my luggage. I lock the case to the luggage frame.
Little card goes on or next to gun case.
Nothing on the outside of my luggage.

Follow whatever instructions I’m given with a smile on my face...

Done.

Oh. I wouldn’t go to Miami if you paid me. So we agree on that. :)
 
I refuse to fly anymore. If I can't drive there then I will be staying home. Last time I flew was back in 2011 and I thought that sucked. I can't say I felt safer for all the rigamaroh. From what I hear that was nothing compared to like it is now.
I have to say I really thought I was going to hit the floor when that shuttle train took off for the next terminal. If I hadn't had a hold of the bar I would have went tumbling. My next ride I sat down in a seat against the wall. I wondered how many Gs I experienced when it blasted forward. I swear it was catapulted down the tracks.
I will put my seat belt on and the shifter in drive and let the flying to you all.
 
I have an enjoyable flight to Phoenix and back on southwest air once a month. I have TSA PRE and go through security with shoes and belt on and tablets in the bag. I get there early and relax with a glass of wine and watch the harried travelers go buy. If I was checking a gun I would allow extra time.


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I am totally sympathetic with anyone who doesn’t care to fly these days. If you want to see what it’s like to be treated like a farm animal, just buy a ticket or two and you’ll soon find out. Well, maybe not. Many farm animals might be treated better.

If you think Miami and LA are bad, have you been through Heathrow lately? :mad: The last time I came home from Europe the only good experience of the whole trip was a TSA agent in Philadelphia about my age who took one look at my passport and one look at me and said, “Welcome home!” - with a little chuckle. He knew. What a mess flying has become... :rolleyes:
 
I have travelled with long guns but never pistols. It has always been easy and hassle free. BTW don't think the TSA guys can't get your locks open. We were coming back from an Antelope hunt in Wyoming and we flew out of Denver. Some of the group were on different airlines and sure as could be an uncle of one of the youths walked away to go to his airline and had the keys to the gun case locks. The agent was very helpful and guided use to a back room where the TSA agent produced a small hula hoop sized ring with every key you could imagine. In 5 minutes he had every one of those cases open. This was one instance I was glad they had that capability. Just flew back from GA today out of ATL. It was a zoo and hassle as always, but it is just what you have to do if you travel for work. I have not gotten the pre check since it is a bit of a hassle. Generally, things move pretty quickly with the exception of Logan, Dulles ATL etc. When I retire I will drive more since I don't mind driving and will have the time.
 
For transporting handguns by air, I use a heavy plastic surplus SKB case, used for NVGs, etc, and lock it with a pair of TSA locks. I then cable lock the case to the frame of the suitcase to make it harder for a baggage handler to steal the case.

The gun case gets tagged with a red or orange firearms declaration tag, but there's nothing on the outside of the suitcase to indicate a firearm is inside. That's by design to reduce the chance of theft by baggage handlers or other people at the baggage pickup.

If I transport a long gun, I remove it from the stock and keep it in a shorter hard case designed for a take down rifle, and then put it in a duffle bag with some clothes etc, so it doesn't scream "gun case".

If a ticket agent is trying to tag the outer suitcase with a special handling tag, he or she is poorly trained.

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Recently, I traveled from RDU to MSP. In the past, airline ticket desk staff have always had me demonstrate my firearms are unloaded, then depending on the airport either have TSA inspect before I lock it, or have me lock it and send it on to TSA.

In this case, United's ticket agent just asked me if they were unloaded and put the declaration tag on the case. I just assumed she figured RSA was going to check them anyway. However, I also had a departure that was an hour late with a resulting very short connection in Chicago. She thought I could still make the connection in Chicago if she had me take the bag as a carry on. I asked " My one and only bag with the four handguns in it? Do you think TSA will be ok with that?" She said "Oh...probably not, we should check that bag for you". I also asked for a later flight to increase the odds of my bag also making the connection.

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As an aside, if you have connecting flights in airports in non-handgun friendly cities (Chicago, Newark, Baltimore, etc), and you end up stuck there over night, you need to work with the airline to secure your bag over night so that you are not leaving with it and then checking it back in the following morning. That could end badly for you, despite the provisions in 18 U.S.C. 926A.
 
Their airline, their rules. Seems kinda mean to insult people for doing their job, even if you think it could be done better. I've flown with a gun thousands of times, and never, ever had an issue or even a moment of rising blood pressure. Know why? I show up as prepared as I can be in accordance with the rules I know about, and then whatever the ticket agent or TSA agent tells me to do, I do. Never lost a gun, never got mad, never had an issue. Some people are just looking to be offended, or to be proven the smartest person in the room . . .

I was going to rant and rant but, nah, I’ll just ramble along….

First, I’d like to point out that I will never, ever, fly into or depart from Miami International Airport again. Not ever. As in never. It’s a nightmare to get around there. Nuf sed…….

So, you know how procedures change from time to time, right? Well, I have not flown with a handgun for quite some time, so I was ready for anything. Having lost ALL of my hard, locking cases in last year’s fire I ordered a couple of new ones, so I would have a choice. I didn’t have a lot of time to get the one I really wanted so I chose ones that would come quickly and the two were VERY similar and quite small but for one Beretta 950 BS they were more than adequate. Small, aluminum cases, black sides, one locking combination lock. Good to go.

At the ticket counter I told the gent that I had a firearm in the little case (SURPRISE!! Really, he was surprised – and I was nice about it – what does this case LOOK LIKE it has in it would have been my snide remark, but I let it go).

Then I get a surprise – he asks to see it! Last few times that went either way but mostly I expected ticket agents to NOT want to see it – let TSA handle it. But, nope, it’s show me time, so I open the case and show him the little pistol. No big deal, he hands me the little white card, I sign it, he fills out his part, we toss it in the case, I lock it, and then he looks at me funny when I tell him I am checking it separately from my large luggage. “You don’t want to put it into that case? You’ll save 40 dollars!”. “Nope”, says I, “I am prepared to pay the forty bucks”. Lo and behold, my decision is a good one – new procedure I have never seen before – he puts a big red tag on the case that says, “Special Handling”. Seriously? It doesn’t look like a gun already and now you’re going to flag it? And you wanted to put that flag on my suitcase with all of my personal items inside? GET OUTTA DODGE!

Then he calls TSA, the TSA guy comes, asks me to unlock the case, takes it somewhere, comes back ten minutes later, says he locked it and it’s off! Weird!

Anyway, the gun came through the special handling baggage gate with no issues in Miami so score one point for that airport, I reckon.

Then, on the return trip the lady at the ticket counter AGAIN thinks I am planning to stick this little case into my soft sided luggage. So, it must be standard practice that flyers do this, and they probably use the cheapie black plastic gun cases with little padlocks and just toss the guns into their soft sided luggage. Personally, I think that is a misreading of the rules but, also, I NEVER want to stick a red flag on my personal, checked luggage.

This agent also wanted to see the gun but after the whole rigmarole was over she sent me to a TSA door. There, a non-TSA person took it, delivered it to a TSA persona, and he took FOREVER to tell me I was good to go! HOW HARD IS IT TO CHECK A TINY, UNLOADED, TIP OPEN, MAGAZINE OUT, BERETTA 950-BS? Like I said, I am done with the Miami airport – I almost missed my plane this guy took so long!

Back home the little luggage came off the plane, the handlers looked at it several times, shook it (we watched from the aircraft window), then tossed it onto the rest of the baggage. It came though the special handling doors. No big deal except I couldn’t get the agent to check – he kept telling me it would come with the rest of the luggage. Dunce!

All’s well that ends well I reckon! :D
 
If you think Miami and LA are bad, have you been through Heathrow lately? :mad: The last time I came home from Europe the only good experience of the whole trip was a TSA agent in Philadelphia about my age who took one look at my passport and one look at me and said, “Welcome home!” - with a little chuckle. He knew. What a mess flying has become... :rolleyes:

Heathrow has always been a mess.

Out of interest, how many times after security were you questioned? That's the latest gag over there according to another ex-pat.
 
Only once, that I recall. I arrived from Zurich and encountered the so-called “security” screening. I have never seen such a travesty! After eventually escaping from that mess, over to the building used by British for departures to the US. No problems there, of course.

Did note all over Heathrow there were little mini-kiosks soliciting opinions on their security arrangements. 🤯 What a joke! :rolleyes:
 
I wish I still had my FAA Medical. I prefer to fly in the left seat, rather than a passenger. Even if it is a Cessna 172.
 
I refuse to fly anymore. If I can't drive there then I will be staying home. Last time I flew was back in 2011 and I thought that sucked. I can't say I felt safer for all the rigamaroh. From what I hear that was nothing compared to like it is now.
I have to say I really thought I was going to hit the floor when that shuttle train took off for the next terminal. If I hadn't had a hold of the bar I would have went tumbling. My next ride I sat down in a seat against the wall. I wondered how many Gs I experienced when it blasted forward. I swear it was catapulted down the tracks.
I will put my seat belt on and the shifter in drive and let the flying to you all.


We are in the same boat. Haven't flown since I retired in 2006. I still have 500,000 miles on Frontier that I probably won't use; unless they start flying to Australia.

Don't miss the hassle, the TSA lines, the wonderful personality of the airline employees. I am amazed at how flying has changed since I first flew commercial in 1964. Regression comes to mind.
 
Two notes:

1. I have flown to and from Israel twice in the past several years and into and out of Italy - those airports were easy. Leaving from JFK is not nearly as easy. No guns involved, just difficult airports here and difficult airlines and easy airlines/airports in those two countries.

2.

Their airline, their rules. Seems kinda mean to insult people for doing their job, even if you think it could be done better. I've flown with a gun thousands of times, and never, ever had an issue or even a moment of rising blood pressure. Know why? I show up as prepared as I can be in accordance with the rules I know about, and then whatever the ticket agent or TSA agent tells me to do, I do. Never lost a gun, never got mad, never had an issue. Some people are just looking to be offended, or to be proven the smartest person in the room . . .

Muss, I agree, their rules - I just didn't know about the red tag, which didn't exist the last time I flew with guns and I didn't know they actually EXPECTED me to take an obvious, hard case with a lock and shove it into my soft sided luggage. Also, I don't see where I insulted anyone personally. I was totally prepared - I have flown with checked guns many times (okay, not thousands, and I hope that amount of flying NEVER happens) - I ALWAYS say and do the right thing and most of the time the ticket agents and TSA personnel are courteous and efficient. The new procedure I ran into was not efficient but I didn't get mean with the agents or anything like that and didn't suggest that I did in the first post. The procedure in Miami when I left was EXCEEDINGLY inefficient. I had plenty of time until the TSA agent disappeared with my gun for I don't recall how long but VERY long, I promise.
 
Heathrow has always been a mess.

Out of interest, how many times after security were you questioned? That's the latest gag over there according to another ex-pat.

Came back through LHR twice late last year. No problems and no questions, which always amuses me as my accent is still close to that of a Londoner and a well used US passport with some odd visas in it. They usually simply look at my cane, grey beard and hair and wave me straight through without any problems. Now MIA on the other hand, no TSA Preclear if you arrive from South America before 0800. So you join the slow lane!! Dave_n
 
I won't fly .. Always have too much luggage that would cost a small fortune .. and we like the scenery and the slower pace of staying away from large cities if possible .. 45 on 2 lane roads with the top down on the Jeep .. You would be surprised at what your missing !!!
 
Two things: When I haven't been wearing the pistol, I've been told to do all manner of things with the case the pistol is traveling in. I've never had a small pistol lock box travel separately, and I wouldn't want to. Only time the gun has gone separately is when it's a rifle. As for the "insult" part, I didn't make myself clear. I apologize if I intimated that you were anything but polite at the airport(s). I meant the content of your post. There are more than a few public servants here who every day do things they think are inane, redundant, and inefficient. That's what they get told to do, and somebody is always watching. Yes, sometimes they're just doing it wrong, but those people generally don't last long. Yes, sometimes they do stick around for a while, but they're always working off a Performance Improvement Plan with double secret supervision.

Safe travels . . .

Muss, I agree, their rules - I just didn't know about the red tag, which didn't exist the last time I flew with guns and I didn't know they actually EXPECTED me to take an obvious, hard case with a lock and shove it into my soft sided luggage. Also, I don't see where I insulted anyone personally. I was totally prepared - I have flown with checked guns many times (okay, not thousands, and I hope that amount of flying NEVER happens) - I ALWAYS say and do the right thing and most of the time the ticket agents and TSA personnel are courteous and efficient. The new procedure I ran into was not efficient but I didn't get mean with the agents or anything like that and didn't suggest that I did in the first post. The procedure in Miami when I left was EXCEEDINGLY inefficient. I had plenty of time until the TSA agent disappeared with my gun for I don't recall how long but VERY long, I promise.
 

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