Fun With Glocks, or Not

[Flattop5]

This guy (a cop) lost his finger in an accidental discharge event.

In my humble opinion, Glocks "go off too easily." You may not agree. I think pistols need safeties. Whether you use the safety is up to you.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC45l6S7ZfM[/ame]



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[Pisgah]

The Glock has a safety. He did not use it -- and admits it.

 

[Bill Raby]

He did not have an accidental discharge. He pulled out his gun and shot himself. He may not have planned to shoot himself, but he pulled out his gun, puthis finger on the trigger, and pulled it back. That is a deliberate action, not an accident.

Glocks do not go off too easily. They don't go off when they get warm. They don't go off when it is humid outside. They don't go off when you spill coffee on them. They go off when you pull the trigger.

Glocks do have a safety. Most people call it a trigger. The safety is on any time you are not pulling the trigger.

He could have shot his wife in the head just as easily as he shot himself in the finger. He made the decision to play with a loaded gun in the house and ignore every other form of gun safety at the same time. That is a choice. Not an accident.

 

[Ozark Marine]

He should reconsider the placement position of his IWB area.
OC would be safer for his family jewels.

 

[petepeterson]

I do believe he's confusing the word "accidental" with "negligent."

 

[blues7]

Striker Control Device

It works. Makes holstering, un-holstering much safer in the event of a foreign object, drawstring etc. finding its way into the holster and inside the trigger guard.

Millions of rounds fired through Glocks equipped with the device without a single failure.

Can even prevent accidents when knuckleheads put their fingers on the trigger and apply pressure (while their thumb engages the "gadget").

(I have no connection to the device except as a satisfied, paying customer.)

 

[Scorpion520AZ]

I have a lot of trigger time on 1911s as duty weapons, both in the field and through rigorous training. Carrying Condition One I never once felt that my pistol was in any way unsafe. So for me a thumb safety is second nature. Hundreds of hours of muscle memory has left my strong side thumb always ready to flip off a thumb safety if needed. So I'm not opposed at all to thumb safeties. A thumb safety is only a disadvantage if you don't train using it, otherwise it's not a disadvantage at all.

In the early 80s when the powers that were forced me to sample my first Glock pistol I honestly didn't feel it was safe compared to my Government Model. That of course as I came to learn through training was false.

Glock pistols come from the factory with three safeties, firing pin safety, drop safety, and trigger safety. If the trigger is not pressed, the Glock pistol will not fire, period. The rest is up to that "fourth safety" located between the operators ears.

If you like the idea of an external safety, fine, but then train using it, all the time. Work your muscle memory to the bone through dry practice.

Personally, despite what the current crop of YouTube tacticool instructors preach, I think an external safety on a semi-auto pistol in the context of "civilian CCW self-defense" is a good idea for most people. Just remember, train using the safety, all the time.

 

[Weimar]

I have to force myself to hear anything more than a few minutes, 3-mins is about my brain capacity unless it is something I am really interested in....

 

[dr. mordo]

I wonder if there are any actual numbers out there that support the theory that Glocks are more dangerous. Between "pull trigger to disassemble" and "Glock Leg", it seems like there should be some supporting data.

 

[ContinentalOp]

This guy (a cop) lost his finger in an accidental discharge event.

In my humble opinion, Glocks "go off too easily." You may not agree. I think pistols need safeties. Whether you use the safety is up to you.

I'm one of those guys who favor heavier, longer trigger pulls because they provide a little more margin for error in terms of safe gun handling under stress. I also prefer no external thumb safety on a self defense gun. If someone wants to use a gun with a thumb safety and/or a short, light trigger pull, that's their choice.

But blaming the gun for this guy's OBVIOUS unsafe handling is a mistake. If this guy is going to do something reckless like he described in the video, he probably would've shot himself anyways. The way he was holding the gun, monkeying with it while LOADED with one hand, I could easily see his thumb swiping off a thumb safety in the process.

This was not a failure of the gun. It was a failure of his brain.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Striker Control Device

It works. Makes holstering, un-holstering much safer in the event of a foreign object, drawstring etc. finding its way into the holster and inside the trigger guard.

Millions of rounds fired through Glocks equipped with the device without a single failure.

Can even prevent accidents when knuckleheads put their fingers on the trigger and apply pressure (while their thumb engages the "gadget").

(I have no connection to the device except as a satisfied, paying customer.)

While I like that device, and would probably get one if I were to go Glock again, it would have done nothing to prevent this guy from shooting off his finger.

 

[Watchdog]

No pity.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

If he was unsafe then any negativity associated with Glocks, whether fact or fiction, is irrelevant and immaterial.

I don't like Glocks but I can shoot them well. I just happen to not like handguns made with plastic - its very personal. I also do not like so-called "safety triggers". Again, very personal. So I am a S&W 3rd Gen and revolver guy, as a general rule.

And I don't "play" with loaded guns at home.

 

[dutch686]

Striker Control Device

It works. Makes holstering, un-holstering much safer in the event of a foreign object, drawstring etc. finding its way into the holster and inside the trigger guard.

Millions of rounds fired through Glocks equipped with the device without a single failure.

Can even prevent accidents when knuckleheads put their fingers on the trigger and apply pressure (while their thumb engages the "gadget").

(I have no connection to the device except as a satisfied, paying customer.)

So how does it work? The pictures don't show it in action.

 

[blues7]

So how does it work? The pictures don't show it in action.

Here ya go. Tom apparently took down his 30 second demo video. This is a good review, however:


The Gadget: A Striker Control Device for Glocks - YouTube

 

[dutch686]

I never remember to go to youtube, and I was going to say never mind because I answered my own question. Thank you for the link.

 

[TomkinsSP]

I don't like Glocks, that said to my knowledge they only fire when someone pulls thier trigger(s). Videos of Gary not withstanding.

 

[cmort666]

In my humble opinion, Glocks "go off too easily."

In other words, if you point one at something and pull the trigger, it'll fire?

You may not agree. I think pistols need safeties.

Including revolvers? You mean like this?

 

[TomkinsSP]

In other words, if you point one at something and pull the trigger, it'll fire...

There is a cure, the Phoenix 22 or 25 they have a firing pin lock on the slide, and a hammer/slide lock on the frame (the two of which logically work exactly the opposite way from each other) and a magazine lock, and the magazine release is interconnected with the hammer/slide lock so you can't drop the mag without locking the slide. (Sorry, don't own one so no pictures.)

 

[cmort666]

There is a cure, the Phoenix 22 or 25 they have a firing pin lock on the slide, and a hammer/slide lock on the frame (the two of which logically work exactly the opposite way from each other) and a magazine lock, and the magazine release is interconnected with the hammer/slide lock so you can't drop the mag without locking the slide. (Sorry, don't own one so no pictures.)

I'm thinking that somebody who needs all of that to keep from shooting himself probably ought instead to work on movingly begging for his life when attacked...